Everton (a) post-match thread

[Marvin]

Is the ref not clearly giving offside in the clip? Other channels appear to have called it but Sky just ignored it and wanted to cause controversy. As an aside, WTF is Mica on nowadays.... Did they all (and some on here) get selective blindness? Watch the clip. Ref listens in his ear piece and gives offside...

The offside is for the offence after the 'handball'. At least that is what has been explained to me and it makes sense. That leaves the question, "was it handball?" And to judge that you need a still of the incident and then you need to refer to the FA rules and the pictorial diagram which explains the regions of the arm which are regarded as 'handball' territory.

The ball strikes Rodri's arm right on the border between the upper arm / shoulder area, and lower arm and so the VAR official can not deem it an obvious error by the ref. It's a borderline decision.

 

[vincent]

What happened after Rodri controlled the ball? Did the ball go out of play to enable the VAR review, or was there another offside? I was so depressed at the inevitable penalty that I wasn't paying much attention. Good I don't have a cat ....

I only ask, because the game restarted with an indirect free kick, presumably for an offside. Pre- or post- I don't know.

And what Lampard says doesn't make sense. If they concluded there was no handball, they wouldn't have looked at the potential offside. There is no way the VAR would have said to the referee, no penalty for handball and he wasn't offside either. Makes no sense. The only way Lampard's comments make sense is if the referee just told him he didn't BLOW for offside. That doesn't mean he wasn't, and that it wouldn't have been checked if they HAD determined a penalty for handball.

The offside incident was actually before the handball incident. And they also confirmed the incident had nothing to do with offside.

 

[Stoned Rose]

If a decision like that went against us this place would go into meltdown, it was a penalty all day, and Rodri knew it.

Read the rules and stop being such a contrary fanny fart.

 

[Marvin]

According to the latest news I've read, there was no offside before the penalty the VAR just thought it was inconclusive, so we completely got lucky there because that was a penalty. If we keep playing like have been this game and the last we won't win the league.

Well read the laws of the game because they are explicit and you don't understand them. If the ball strikes the sleeve area then that is the border between handball and no handball. It's like an offside call when the players are level when the ball is played.

As for City's performance, it was a game of two halves. First half we struggled, 2nd was a wave of city attacks and I thought we played very well. We could have been more lethal in front of goal but our passing, and defensive play in midfield (snuffing out their counters immediately) was good.

 

[Marvin]

The offside incident was actually before the handball incident. And they also confirmed the incident had nothing to do with offside.

The offside was after. VAR imo decided that the ref had not made a clear and obvious error. Had Rodri handled the ball in that manner with his forearm then they would deem that a handball but with the upper arm it's not an offence (see picture of FA rules website).

This could all have been cleared up had MOTD showed the graphic but instead Shearer chose to play to the Liverpool, Man Utd and Everton fan gallery. Normally MOTD are really good on such things.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Read the rules and stop being such a contrary fanny fart.

I think that the average neutral fan looking at it would say handball. I see why VAR didnt give it as they only over turn clear and obviouse and it was somewhat close to the border line but if the same happens against us next week id be expecting the ref to give it.

 

[Stoned Rose]

I think that the average neutral fan looking at it would say handball. I see why VAR didnt give it as they only over turn clear and obviouse and it was somewhat close to the border line but if the same happens against us next week id be expecting the ref to give it.

Madonna likes this post.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

Madonna likes this post.

Maradona too, unless it’s a reference to the Borderline penalty decision.

 

[Tb1981]

Shearer description of the rule:
red line, green line nonsense
funny how the rules Are shit, everyone in football knows a handball etc ignore the rules

Laporte against spurs - it’s the rules
Trent against dippers - it’s the rules natural posirion
Stones studs up at villa - it’s the rules
Brighton player studs up....no force
Southampton player studs up....no intent

The media agenda couldn’t be less hidden

 

[bellwhaft]

Richarlison was offside, nothing to do with the handball.

 

[ROCKET80]

I think that the average neutral fan looking at it would say handball. I see why VAR didnt give it as they only over turn clear and obviouse and it was somewhat close to the border line but if the same happens against us next week id be expecting the ref to give it.

Fortunately the average neutral football fan wasn't in charge of VAR.

It was the Schrodinger's Cat of decisions both correct and incorrect at the same time.

 

[Newman Noggs]

You could actually do a City bingo after every City win for reasons why a City win doesn't deserve any merit ascfar as the media are concerned;

1. It was not a penalty to City
2. It should have been a stonewall penalty to the opposition.
3. The City scorer was offside
4 . A City player was offside in the build-up
5. The opposition scorer was not offside
6. The opposition player was level in the build up
7. A City player committed a foul in the build up
8. The opposition did not deserve to have a player sent off
9. (Insert name of City player) shouldn't have been on the field
10. (After a 7-0 thrashing) You'd expect nothing less from a team that cost £500 billion.

And on and on, and on....

 

[MadchesterCity]

Fuck you Cilla Black, Fuck you Jamie Carragher, Fuck you John Barnes, Fuck you Liam Neeson, Fuck you Samuel Jackson, Fuck you Daniel Craig, Fuck you Steven Gerrard, Fuck you Danny Murphy, Fuck you Steve Mcmanamon, Fuck you Kelly Dalglish, Fuck you Mike Myers, Fuck you Dr Dre, Fuck you Angelina Jolie, Fuck you John Bishop, Fuck you Nelson Mandela, Fuck you Ricky Tomlinson, Fuck you Michael Owen, Fuck you Lebron James, Fuck you John Aldridge, Fuck you Ian Rush, Fuck you Kenny Dalglish, Fuck you Phil Thompson, Fuck the Merseyside Police, fuck the biased refs and commentators, Fuck you Kilppety Klopp and Fuck you each and every bin dipping vermin bus attacking ****!
Fuck you All!
Fuck you!

 

[Blue Maverick]

Maradona too, unless it’s a reference to the Borderline penalty decision.

very good

 

[give it to gordon]

Thing is VAR wouldnt look at the possible off side before the possible handball if VAR didnt think it was handball.
Once VAR say handball than they go back to check for a possible off side.
VAR said no handball so didnt check for possible off side before.

Personally thought it was a penalty but given how many bent decisions have gone the dippers and rags way over the years, I'll take it.

My worry now is with the press/media moaning like fuck, that we wont get any decision next week.

 

[hgblue]

Richarlison was offside, nothing to do with the handball.

Was he actually offside? He looked it in real time but it wasn’t mentioned again during commentary. They showed a still photo after the game with no lines drawn and it looked a lot tighter than I thought.

 

[manimanc]

Madonna likes this post.

Just hope she lives to tell the tale.

 

[LangleyBlue1970]

Fuck you Cilla Black, Fuck you Jamie Carragher, Fuck you John Barnes, Fuck you Liam Neeson, Fuck you Samuel Jackson, Fuck you Daniel Craig, Fuck you Steven Gerrard, Fuck you Danny Murphy, Fuck you Steve Mcmanamon, Fuck you Kelly Dalglish, Fuck you Mike Myers, Fuck you Dr Dre, Fuck you Angelina Jolie, Fuck you John Bishop, Fuck you Nelson Mandela, Fuck you Ricky Tomlinson, Fuck you Michael Owen, Fuck you Lebron James, Fuck you John Aldridge, Fuck you Ian Rush, Fuck you Kenny Dalglish, Fuck you Phil Thompson, Fuck the Merseyside Police, fuck the biased refs and commentators, Fuck you Kilppety Klopp and Fuck you each and every bin dipping vermin bus attacking cunts!
Fuck you All!
Fuck you!

I’m struggling with what Messrs Leeson, Craig, Mandela, Dre and James have done. Same with Jolie.

The rest have scouse links.

 

[Blue Maverick]

The offside was after. VAR imo decided that the ref had not made a clear and obvious error. Had Rodri handled the ball in that manner with his forearm then they would deem that a handball but with the upper arm it's not an offence (see picture of FA rules website).

This could all have been cleared up had MOTD showed the graphic but instead Shearer chose to play to the Liverpool, Man Utd and Everton fan gallery. Normally MOTD are really good on such things.

No it wasn’t, when the ball hits Rodri’s arm he then boots it out for a corner, then the review is done.

 

[Chippy_boy]

clearest handball in football history

Peter Crouch's basketball coach says hi.