Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Indaparkside]

Russias central bank has raised their interest rate to 20%, good luck paying your mortgage in Moscow

It’s the innocent that get hit though most Russians don’t want this war,Putin doesn’t give a fuck he’s a billionaire with money siphoned off in many countries feel sorry for the Russian civilians who have now had there lives fucked by a madman

 

[KS55]

When is the best time to invest in Roubles in the next couple of weeks?

When it hits rock bottom.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

China is a far bigger worry militarily than Russia.

they have the same state control mechanisms, but with probably less corruption.

their economy provides the world with goods, and has done for years. This has earnt them fortunes which they’ve re-invested, particularly in Africa and Asia.

their military has also been remarkable at copying other countries high technology, in the past few years this has been moved onto producing their own state of the art weapons. The quantity of naval shipbuilding in the past decade is incredible (look at wiki and the dates of when ships built).

… and of course they are nuclear.

they currently don’t have the same ability as the US to project force worldwide, but in Asia they are flexing, and with the speed their navy is growing - their carrier ability has gone from zero to 2nd largest in world in a decade - it won’t be long before they have some equivalences to the US fleets.

Their military technology still lags behind the US but I agree they are catching up rapidly. Worryingly they have also secured large reserves of minerals and metals across Africa and South America.

 

[kippaxwarrior]

Infantino is on good terms with Putin. Er...Why?

Gazprom

 

[jrb]

What you have to remember is that Putin hasn't used his most deadly weapons and missiles on Ukraine and Kiev yet. He knows if he did that there would be a huge loss of innocence lives, much more than there has already been. Putin could obliterate Kiev over night without sending his troops in first. If this was a war against NATO you would see much more powerful weapons and missiles in use. Putin wants to try keep Kiev intact or at least limit the destruction of Kiev. Kiev being destroyed, along with a puppet Russian ruler in charge of what's left of Kiev, with 10,000's of Men, 'Women and Children' dead, is not what Putin wants.

Saying that, Putin and his Generals have underestimated the resolve and the determination of the Ukrainian people to fight for their country. With arms (and new fighters) now flowing to the Ukrainian fighters from all around World, this war could be be a long and painful one for Putin, his army, the Russian people, and Russia.

Economically Russia will eventually be degraded. In time Putin will struggle to fund any long war with Ukraine, and the devasted Russian economy will begin to hurt the Russian people, who will find the cost of living going through the roof, as the Ruble, etc collapses.

The Ruble is collapsing.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

China need to be having a quiet word with the Russians. Putin threatening nukes concerns them as much as anyone else on the planet.

 

[KS55]

If the last general election had gone differently, this lot would have been the UK Cabinet.

That's why, for all his faults, it was a good thing for Boris to win. The Corbynistas are bonkers.

 

[SWP's back]

Why should Putin determine what happens in Ukraine, why should they not be allowed to join the EU or NATO if they want to?

He shouldn’t and he won’t. Ignore Russ, he’s a mad old bastard.

 

[SWP's back]

Surely an independent nation should be able to decide its own future mate, it’s not the Ukrainians fault they happen to be next door neighbours to Russia.

Russia is big enough as is and literally no one wants to invade them or have a war. Putin should be trying to make his own country better as it is.

Is the sane answer.

 

[SWP's back]

There’s only one thing you need to know and that is Russia invaded another country without any provocation and is killing and wounding civilians. Any blame being apportioned by Putin to anyone or anything other than himself is clearly false.

100%.

 

[SWP's back]

Actually Putin is an idiot or he wouldn’t have done this.

You have to remember, for context, Bazzmand Shaw surrendered Ukraine for themselves 4 days ago. The longer this goes on and the better Ukraine does, the sillier his initial view looks, thus that’s why he has to believe Putin still has stuff up his sleeve.

 

[KS55]

Amazing

 

[r.soleofsalford]

If a country is sovereign surely that means it can join what it likes and what the people of that country mandate it to join.

Cuba like this.


As stupid as that is.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Amazing

The Ukrainian drones that they bought from Turkey a few years ago are seriously disrupting Russian artillery and their supply chain.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

What you have to remember is that Putin hasn't used his most deadly weapons and missiles on Ukraine and Kiev yet. He knows if he did that there would be a huge loss of innocence lives, much more than there has already been. Putin could obliterate Kiev over night without sending his troops in first. If this was a war against NATO you would see much more powerful weapons and missiles in use. Putin wants to try keep Kiev intact or at least limit the destruction of Kiev.

Russia has a lot of Thermobaric weapons that we have not seen yet, I'd be very concerned if he starts using them

These are devastating and could probably level Kiev.

 

[KS55]

Where are the Ukraine going to get the money from to pay for these arms. Their currency is shot to pieces and isnt worth the paper its printed on.

I suspect the EU, US, ourselves will not look for payment.

 

[Coatigan]

Not a fan of Trump or Johnson, especially the former but when have either done anything remotely like Putin has in the last week?

This is some fucking take.

Trump to an extent had a go at taking over his own country.

You are right though, can't lose sight of the fact he invaded a sovereign country, is threatening others, and hinting at the world that he would use nukes against anyone.

 

[BlueHammer85]

The Ukrainian delegation has arrived at the Ukrainian-Belarusian border for talks with Russia's representatives.
The Ukrainian president's office said the key issue of the talks is an immediate ceasefire and the withdrawal of troops from Ukraine.

 

[KS55]

I'm not up for a debate about this (I'm not knowledgeable enough) but I think if this resolves peacefully Britain should re-join the EU and take a leading role in massively building up EU military conventional defenses.

I didnt have a vote but I tended towards Brexit. I've completely changed my mind after this.

Bear in mind that EU turned down the most effective weapon at first. Even now, the exclusion from Swift is partial. US and ourselves wanted full exclusion but compromised to get EU onside.
The announcement of a complete change of policy brought gasps in German parliament and there is some opposition to it. Hold your fire until it all pans out.

 

[r.soleofsalford]

I suspect the EU, US, ourselves will not look for payment.

PannickAtTheDisco said:
West surely makes more money from a guerrilla war supplying the Ukrainians then actively supporting them with troops.


I was answering a post stating the West make more money.