Russian invasion of Ukraine

jerseyblue said:
Well, like it or not, it is one of the primary reasons he's invaded. Its something he's talked about for years...has made it clear he has his own "red line" for NATO expansion, its why he invaded Georgia previously....and has repeatedly railed against expansion of NATO.

I think you need to get over the fact that this is his justification, it just is. He has always viewed NATO as a threat to Russia. You ask, who is he to tell them who can join NATO...he's the guy that wants to reconstitute the USSR, the guy who wants to flex Russia's influence in eastern europe and over their former bloc states, OF COURSE he is going to try and influence who joins an alliance that is primarily in existence to thwart Russian aggression! Come on man!

None of this makes it right, it just is what it is. Thankfully the west stands united against him, NATO will now be stronger than its ever been, and hopefully Ukraine can repel this invasion long enough for the crippling economic sanctions to force Russia to stand down.
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Sorry when did the Ukraine join nato again?
 
Blue warrior said:
I just keep looking at my kids plus new born and thinking this could be it it’s angin. I know I can’t control it but it’s already set in my body. I wasn’t bothered with covid but nukes different level mate.
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Honestly mate try to not let it get to you. Hard when you look at the little ones. Look we’ve only sent weapons to Ukraine and sanctioned the Russians. If they don’t back down we have this warning up our sleeve

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And if that doesn’t trigger an immediate withdrawal we too can go nuclear and show them the “you know what” photo of same lady. I won’t post here as don’t want a banning
 
Blue warrior said:
I just keep looking at my kids plus new born and thinking this could be it it’s angin. I know I can’t control it but it’s already set in my body. I wasn’t bothered with covid but nukes different level mate.
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Mate chill, there was a woman on tv last night, she said it's a common ploy by despots to make out they're crazy so more likely to push the button, it's just a ploy. He knows he's not the only ones with nukes and 90% of the world are against him, I'm sure he's not wanting to commit suicide anytime soon.
 
metalblue said:
Honestly mate try to not let it get to you. Hard when you look at the little ones. Look we’ve only sent weapons to Ukraine and sanctioned the Russians. If they don’t back down we have this warning up our sleeve

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And if that doesn’t trigger an immediate withdrawal we too can go nuclear and show them the “you know what” photo of same lady. I won’t post here as don’t want a banning
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Send in saggy tits Gail that will do the job lol
 
bluesince76 said:
Regardless of everything going on, the sanctions, the potential war crimes, ultimately there needs to be a peace. The sooner we can find an 'out' for Putin, the better for all involved, particularly the average Ukrainian. Pushing him further into a further is going to make things a lot worse.

I suspect he'll want the two regions the separatists have been fighting over, not because they're Russian, but because they provide a land route to Crimea. The Ukrainian army aren't strong enough to kick Russia out of there now, so unless NATO is planning on doing it, which would be a huge escalation, they may offer Putin the 'win' he'll want to claim whilst minimising the death and destruction that will happen from now. I suspect he's realised the Ukrainians don't see him as the saviour he thinks of himself as, so unless he wants another Afghanistan, the sooner he can get out the better for him domestically.

Europe then needs to concentrate on bringing Ukraine into the EU and closer to Europe but maybe turn down the joining NATO bit. Invading an EU country in the future world probably be a line too far, but then not being in NATO removes part of his paranoia, or at least the part of it he can spew on state TV. Let him claim his victories whilst the rest of us get back to international trade and finding an alternative gas supplier.
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i think that would be the wrong way to go.
however if you are going to appease Putin with territory then letting the rump Ukraine join NATO is imperative.
Its the only thing that would stop Putin regrouping and attacking again
 
yankblue said:
The Republican party has conveniently forgotten their lord and savior was impeached for withholding military aid from Ukriane and attempting to extort Zelensky who they have been non stop praising.

If I hear "this wouldn't have happened under Trump" one more time I might snap. The only difference is Trump would have ushered the Russians in at the border.
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Trump and the Republicans admire Putin because of his nationalism and the weird association with him and strength. People like Nigel Farage are the same, they long for a Putin type authoritarian governmental system which stamps over anything that was put in place to stop the implementation of rather questionable policies.

What this war represents for these kind of people is a rejection of the kind of thing that they stand for which is aggressive nationalism. They can't have this because we are a democracy and have laws to stop it so they admire people that overrule it and that's why they can't help but find themselves sympathising with Putin.

 
Chippy_boy said:
It's the first time in my life where when I go to bed at night, the thought at least passes through my mind that - however unlikely it may be - I might wake up to find that there's been various nuclear strikes. Or even, worst case, that I might not even wake up at all.

Anyone who is not remotely concerned about this, has not been paying attention.
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Nothing will happen unless NATO fall for something like this no fly zone nonsense, which I don't think they will. No one is going to sacrifice their security for the Ukrainians.
I'm glad Boris knocked it on the head during the press conference this afternoon.
 
metalblue said:
So you don’t think Putin is about to launch his nukes at least by the weekend... Come to the game, I’ll buy you a pint. No @andyhinch before you ask, the offer doesn’t extend to you
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I very much do, I have 6 seats on a flight to Dubai before then, for a week whilst I re-arrange my Thai pass (which we already have but for early April), then Thailand until after the Easter holidays. Maybe after then, who knows.
 
The West can't afford to lose, if they give up Ukraine , other Countries will advance like China with Taiwan.

It will end up with more Superpowers against the West .
 
Elbow beards said:
Mate chill, there was a woman on tv last night, she said it's a common ploy by despots to make out they're crazy so more likely to push the button, it's just a ploy. He knows he's not the only ones with nukes and 90% of the world are against him, I'm sure he's not wanting to commit suicide anytime soon.
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It can only go one of two ways.

Nuclear bombs are/aren’t deployed.

If they aren’t, life goes on.
If they are, life probably doesn’t go on.

We can’t affect or effect the decision.

Might as well treat life as normal.

The only other solution is to do what they did in Armageddon and take out huge loans and blow them all on drugs and hookers.
 


Interesting thread here. Sounds like the Russians fucked up tactically initially but have regrouped a bit and the fighting is about to get very bloody, I still don't think Ukraine have enough to withstand an all out assault which looks like it#s now happening.
 
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