Russian invasion of Ukraine

[bobmcfc]

 

[BlueAnorak]

Sometime you need to laugh even when it's grim...

 

[Benarbia_is_god]

Follow intelcrab on twitter if you want good coverage of what's going on, he's been great since this all started at the turn of the year.

His pinned tweet shows a border guard north of Crimea caught on webcam seemingly running away from his post and looking alarmed, it's thought to be the very moment the Russians launched their attack.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I don't have an issue with posters taking that side, and claiming Putin's views on NATO are a contributing factor to why he went and invaded the whole of Ukraine.

What I have an issue with is portraying that as perfectly understandable, heck even reasonable, and something NATO and a Sovereign nation making its own choices willingly provoked. Or could/should have avoided.

If anything they avoided for over half a decade, and he Still went and invaded them.

That stance is not some alternative take intellectual balance to the discussion, it is not even shades of fucking grey to a highly complex situation. It is just pedsntic apologist wisearsery.

But literally no-one is suggesting this. Bizzare.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Next step is disabling them? But as others have rightly pointed out it stops people getting information.

 

[cleavers]

Surprised they haven’t tried to bomb that convoy to slow it down

Its been stationary for at least 24 hours, not sure how you would "slow it down" ?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Its been stationary for at least 24 hours, not sure how you would "slow it down" ?

Reports that some vehicles have broken down, seems unlikely that such a convoy would be stopped by a a few breakdowns.

 

[Coatigan]

But literally no-one is suggesting this. Bizzare.

You must have skipped some 20 odd pages.

Can't be asked searching back, the thread is cyclical, it'll come up again.

 

[Ghandi's Flip Flops]

Just need to block the Russian versions of Netflix and Amazon Prime and Putin will have a full scale revolution on his hands

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Reports that some vehicles have broken down, seems unlikely that such a convoy would be stopped by a a few breakdowns.

Errr, have you ever driven in Manhattan? :)

 

[Blue Maverick]

Why have Russia not turned off the gas to Europe? They can’t be getting paid for it as all assets etc are frozen, surely this would harm countries in the EU in particular Germany .

 

[nmc]

FIA are corrupt b*stards allowing Mazepin to drive in the new season (under neutral flag).

Oh well, at least we can watch the clown finish each race.

Are you surprised F1 is a joke.

 

[nmc]

Surprised they haven’t tried to bomb that convoy to slow it down

Needs missile strikes at the front and back. They could then pick off the rest

 

[JASR]

Reports that some vehicles have broken down, seems unlikely that such a convoy would be stopped by a a few breakdowns.

I remember from WW2 books the maxim used to be that a column is only as fast as the slowest vehicle.

 

[marco]

Needs missile strikes at the front and back. They could then pick off the rest

maybe there easyer pickings once in the city,the Ukraines must be armed to the teeth with RPGs etc by now

 

[Chippy_boy]

You must have skipped some 20 odd pages.

Can't be asked searching back, the thread is cynical, it'll come up again.

I think you may be mistaken (but I agree, no need to go searching - no biggie). But when there's some documentary on TV called "Inside the mind of a serial killer" (or whatever), it doesn't mean the program makers are sympathetic to serial killers.

The posts I have seen don't seek to justify or dignify Putin's thinking, merely to explain it. Anyway, that's my take on it.

 

[cleavers]

Reports that some vehicles have broken down, seems unlikely that such a convoy would be stopped by a a few breakdowns.

The pictures are now 48 hours old, but the media keeping telling us it's "advancing", it's beginning to annoy me now. It might be "breakdowns", it might be that the front of it has been attacked, it might be that they're struggling to resupply it wit/them with fuel/food, the key word is "might", the media don't know, so stop repeating the same message.

 

[Coatigan]

I think you may be mistaken (but I agree, no need to go searching - no biggie). But when there's some documentary on TV called "Inside the mind of a serial killer" (or whatever), it doesn't mean the program makers are sympathetic to serial killers.

The posts I have seen don't seek to justify or dignify Putin's thinking, merely to explain it. Anyway, that's my take on it.

Ok, I'll go with you are right and I am wrong. Because I'd prefer that to be honest.

 

[cleavers]

Why have Russia not turned off the gas to Europe? They can’t be getting paid for it as all assets etc are frozen, surely this would harm countries in the EU in particular Germany .

They've left enough ways to pay the russians open, and while europe continues to buy and pay russia will take the money, europe can't afford not to take the gas at this stage, so it will continue to supply it, no doubt increasing the price to boot.

 

[GH64]

No, why would I. What an ugly bit of lazy, offensive whataboutery.

This isn’t about Iraq. And whatever mistakes were made in those conflicts, the British and American forces went there to try and rid those counties of evil despotic warlords who were murdering their own people and harbouring terrorists.

If you’re drawing a parallel between that and what Russia are doing to Ukraine now you’re sick in the fucking head.

The nearest comparison to Putin is Hitler.

I'm no fan of Putin and what the Russians are doing, but people seem to have forgotten quite how bad Hitler was. I doubt the Ukrainians would make that comparison yet.
Ukrainian losses in WW2 were c 2.5m military and 4.5m civilians.
An order was given to kill 100 civilians for every German soldier killed.