Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Paul1970]

4.5 million Ukrainians fought with the Red Army against Nazi Germany.

Look closer mate they all didn’t .

 

[BigJoe#1]

Not the time for a full on moan I know.... far from it but.....

I wish the UK politicians would NOT continually, put in the first sentence of nearly every response... "blah blah of which the UK is in the lead" when it comes to helping the Ukrainians.

It really pisses me off.

NOW IS NOT THE TIME FOR POLITICAL GRANDSTANDING

 

[Bonzo Nododo]

BBC radio news state that 70% of Russians trust Putin and believe all the fake news coming out of the Kremlin. Radio stations in Russia being closed down for referring to the 'special military exercises' as 'war' or 'invasion'.
A woman from Ukraine was just cut off as she related the situation there. Very sinister.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

BBC radio news state that 70% of Russians trust Putin and believe all the fake news coming out of the Kremlin. Radio stations in Russia being closed down for referring to the 'special military exercises' as 'war' or 'invasion'.
A woman from Ukraine was just cut off as she related the situation there. Very sinister.

First casualty of war is truth etc.

 

[BigJoe#1]

First casualty of war is truth etc.

That is so true, whilst I am on the side of believing the west, some of the stuff I have read really does seem like the propaganda machine is in overdrive.

 

[bellsouth]

BBC radio news state that 70% of Russians trust Putin and believe all the fake news coming out of the Kremlin. Radio stations in Russia being closed down for referring to the 'special military exercises' as 'war' or 'invasion'.
A woman from Ukraine was just cut off as she related the situation there. Very sinister.

My wife is Russian, she’s lived in the UK for 25 years and whilst definitely not a Putin supporter fits into that 70% as does her father, a very intelligent man, whom I respect a lot. It’s honestly very difficult for me to get my head around their views which are basically that Russians in East Ukraine have been persecuted, murdered etc by a fascist Ukraine over the years and that Putin has up til now done everything he can for a peaceful solution but now has been left with no other option (oh and NATO takes is share of the blame in all this too). These are of course completely opposite to my views but arguing has become impossible - it’s literally like arguing to a mirror - I say ‘you’re being lied to’ - they say ‘no, you are being lied to’.
It’s difficult for me to understand how smart people can think like this, all I’ve come up with is that this belief that the west manipulates the truth has been ingrained in them for decades that it just becomes who they are.
The whole situation is very sad

 

[Bonzo Nododo]

First casualty of war is truth etc.

Yes l am surprised that so many on here fall for it, but we do have our share of 'militant kranks' although not as that What's App clown meant.
The actual.hearing of the pulling of the plug on that woman l mentioned left an impression although l am not naive.about these things.
Certain thing in North Armerica worry more as they are done under the guise of democracy.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Creating a scenario where world war 3 breaks out or multiple countries get involved, just leads to more civilians dying in other countries. Sadly Ukraine are on their own here, but we will do as much as we can without causing a broader conflict.

It is heartbreaking and as much as part of me would absolutely love a squadron of RAF typhoons to be lighting up that stranded Russian convoy like a firework, sadly preventing a broader conflict is the right thing to do, globally speaking.

 

[BigJoe#1]

It is heartbreaking and as much as part of me would absolutely love a squadron of RAF typhoons to be lighting up that stranded Russian convoy like a firework, sadly preventing a broader conflict is the right thing to do, globally speaking.

100% this, if only we could supply the Ukranians with the means to do this. I'm not sure how well defended that convoy would be.

 

[Coatigan]

Putin needs a way out of this with dignity or it'll get messy. I think NATO should agree that Ukraine will never be a member in return for a complete russian withdrawal, and Ukraine being a buffer with EU membership possible at a later stage.

Do you really think that would be enough?

For either side?

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

This is weird....

Wouldn’t surprise me if that was a Russian bloke doing an American accent.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Putin needs a way out of this with dignity or it'll get messy. I think NATO should agree that Ukraine will never be a member in return for a complete russian withdrawal, and Ukraine being a buffer with EU membership possible at a later stage.

Russia also want Ukraine’s economic and mineral assets.!it’s a war of plunder as much as it is about Russia’s “security”.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

BBC radio news state that 70% of Russians trust Putin and believe all the fake news coming out of the Kremlin. Radio stations in Russia being closed down for referring to the 'special military exercises' as 'war' or 'invasion'.
A woman from Ukraine was just cut off as she related the situation there. Very sinister.

At least they will be able to believe the deterioration of their living standards within 3 months

 

[SWP's back]

Wouldn’t surprise me if that was a Russian bloke doing an American accent.

It’s an American and he’s been named and shamed. He’s a trust fund son.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

It’s an American and he’s been named and shamed. He’s a trust fund son.

With a bit of luck the crazy old traitor will get a Molotov cocktail to the bonce then.

 

[Metal Biker]

Look closer mate they all didn’t .

Not all French fought against Germany, not all Germans fought for Germany, Ukraine was an occupied nation, some collaborated, most didn't. There were even Russians, the Russian Liberation Army, that fought FOR Hitler.

That is your justification for why Russia has started a conflict? Its the dumbest thing i've ever heard.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

Russian tanks decided to have a demolition derby a few days back whilst waiting for their uber deliveries to arrive outside Kiev

 

[RadcliffeRick]

My wife is Russian, she’s lived in the UK for 25 years and whilst definitely not a Putin supporter fits into that 70% as does her father, a very intelligent man, whom I respect a lot. It’s honestly very difficult for me to get my head around their views which are basically that Russians in East Ukraine have been persecuted, murdered etc by a fascist Ukraine over the years and that Putin has up til now done everything he can for a peaceful solution but now has been left with no other option (oh and NATO takes is share of the blame in all this too). These are of course completely opposite to my views but arguing has become impossible - it’s literally like arguing to a mirror - I say ‘you’re being lied to’ - they say ‘no, you are being lied to’.
It’s difficult for me to understand how smart people can think like this, all I’ve come up with is that this belief that the west manipulates the truth has been ingrained in them for decades that it just becomes who they are.
The whole situation is very sad

I am in the exact same position as you and feel your pain :-(

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Do you really think that would be enough?

For either side?

Two weeks ago maybe :-(

 

[grunge]

If true, Apparently hackers have taken down the Russian space agency systems. If that’s the one providing Russian intelligence with imagery then they are blind right now.