Russian invasion of Ukraine

BlueT said:
I think NATO should of been more prepared for this. Nato forces should of been considerably enlarged in the Baltics, Poland, and other NATO countries bordering Ukraine, and actually covertly in Ukraine. Ukraine made many preparations for an invasion and thats why they have been incredible defending their country.
If Nato had of enlarged their presence in Nato countries bordering Ukraine and Russia Putin would of thought twice about invading Ukraine, NATO did hardly anything, where are the Nato forces including the Americans?
If Nato had of been fully prepared and ready would the decision to invade Ukraine by Putin been made, I doubt it.
If he had still made the decision to invade Nato would of been ready, and could of raced to kiev securing the capital, and securing two thirds of Ukraine. This could of been done without Nato firing a shot in anger and completely wrong footing Putin. It just seems to me we have not reacted to an obvious and building threat from Putin when a show of strength and support for Ukraine would of stopped him in his tracks.
Just my thoughts
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Maybe if you have no idea what an organisation is don’t share your thoughts about it on a public domain prior to educating yourself about the basic setup of aforementioned organisation.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
I have been thinking back to another crisis not to long ago and what happened there. A certain Arab country invaded another Arab country. Certain western countries didn’t like it so got together and threw out that Arab country. Will we do the same here or is this different??
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World super powers, with the ability to wipe out the world are, erm, generally treated with far more concern, as a rule.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
I have been thinking back to another crisis not to long ago and what happened there. A certain Arab country invaded another Arab country. Certain western countries didn’t like it so got together and threw out that Arab country. Will we do the same here or is this different??
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Like Russia with Ukraine, the west picks wars they think are winnable. Iraq couldn’t threaten anyone with nukes, Russia can.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
I have been thinking back to another crisis not to long ago and what happened there. A certain Arab country invaded another Arab country. Certain western countries didn’t like it so got together and threw out that Arab country. Will we do the same here or is this different??
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Those Arab countries don’t have a veto on the security council if the UN therefore resolutions were passed
 
redders said:
I think that you might get a call with the offer of being NATO new strategic military expert. You're wasted on here
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That's a little harsh. The poster was just showing genuine concern and disillusionment at the lack of apparent options the west has, at this time.
 
Metal Biker said:
NATO is a defensive organisation, not an invasive one. NATO poses no threat to Russia. Members join through cohesion not coercion. There was little NATO could do to prevent this situation. Once Ukraine felt it necessary to join NATO for its own protection, Russia acted.

Yes, had Ukraine been a member of NATO Russia would never have attacked, but as shown, once Ukraine showed interest in becoming a member, Russia invaded to prevent their membership becoming a factor. Ukraine has few political allies and are effectively (aside from aid and munitions being donated) on their own. Once a ceasefire has been announced, and Ukraine accepted into NATO, Russia will see it as game over and back off as a fight against NATO (especially without Chinese support) is a fight they know they cannot win, nukes or no nukes.
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That’s the irony -should the Russians fail Ukraine is 100% ending up in NATO

This whole thing shows that Putin -who’s goal has always been his survival in power has lost the plot completely during this Covid era. He’s literally Isolated himself for c2 years paranoid over the Virus -still not over as evidenced by these ridiculous tables he insists on.

We also hear any advisor who wished to see him these past 2 years had to be locked in a Quarantined Hotel under Armed Guard for 2 weeks before they would be allowed to see the Great Man. In short the usual Guys who dissuaded him from being a Prick were sidelined and he only had his old KGB Buddy mates for company, What could possibly go wrong?!!
 
Fred_Quimby said:
I have been thinking back to another crisis not to long ago and what happened there. A certain Arab country invaded another Arab country. Certain western countries didn’t like it so got together and threw out that Arab country. Will we do the same here or is this different??
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If putin didn’t have nukes, yes.
Edit: also oil

as he does and is clearly hellbent on doing whatever it is that he wants, then it’s a very different situation for a dictator to be given a slap
 
hello said:
Maybe if you have no idea what an organisation is don’t share your thoughts about it on a public domain prior to educating yourself about the basic setup of aforementioned organisation.
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I am aware that NATO is a group of countries that guarantee the security of each other. Clearly I am no expert but now many of those NATO countries are going to be under more threat now Ukraine has been invaded.
If Putin succeeds in Ukraine then the Baltic countries could be next. Could NATO of done more to deter Putin? I personally think NATO could of done more.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
I have been thinking back to another crisis not to long ago and what happened there. A certain Arab country invaded another Arab country. Certain western countries didn’t like it so got together and threw out that Arab country. Will we do the same here or is this different??
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The Nuclear threat says yes.

I was reading earlier there are only 22 countries that we haven’t invaded! Obviously most many years ago. Countries just can’t seem to help themselves throughout history.
 
JASR said:
Yep. And so will Chinese be.
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I think it's more the chinese influence than russia, they're (china) building road/rail/hospitals/schools across the continent and have been for nearly a decade now, so if china says "abstain" they'll abstain, you can't really blame them for that, without china they;d get nothing. only 1 african country went with russia, a country that ranks worse than north korea in press freedom.
 
AlgarveBlu said:
I guess we all suspected this anyhow as the CIA called it whilst the games were on - as If 2 years of bullshitting about covid wasn’t enough

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Absolute bollocks. Questions at the BBC as to why they haven’t come out with this BS sooner
 
BlueT said:
If he had still made the decision to invade Nato would of been ready, and could of raced to kiev securing the capital, and securing two thirds of Ukraine.
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And unfortunately WW3 would have ensued and a catastrophe on a far larger scale even than the one we are seeing currently.
 
BlueT said:
I am aware that NATO is a group of countries that guarantee the security of each other. Clearly I am no expert but now many of those NATO countries are going to be under more threat now Ukraine has been invaded.
If Putin succeeds in Ukraine then the Baltic countries could be next. Could NATO of done more to deter Putin? I personally think NATO could of done more.
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Nato does deter Putin. In conventional warfare nato massively out powers the Russian military in air sea and land. A fuck tonne of shit tanks & mech artie isn’t anything for nato to worry about in 2020s it’s not 1970. The only reason nato allows him to be such a **** is the realistic prospect he’s mad enough to use nukes and destroy his country and half the world in the process.
 
hello said:
Nato does deter Putin. In conventional warfare nato massively out powers the Russian military in air sea and land. A fuck tonne of shit tanks & mech artie isn’t anything for nato to worry about in 2020s it’s not 1970. The only reason nato allows him to be such a **** is the realistic prospect he’s mad enough to use nukes and destroy his country and half the world in the process.
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BlueT said:
I am aware that NATO is a group of countries that guarantee the security of each other. Clearly I am no expert but now many of those NATO countries are going to be under more threat now Ukraine has been invaded.
If Putin succeeds in Ukraine then the Baltic countries could be next. Could NATO of done more to deter Putin? I personally think NATO could of done more.
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It's looking more and more likely that Moldova's Transnistria region and potentially Sweden and Finland are next on Putin's radar. None of these nations are in NATO (although they have expressed interest). That should begin to tell you more about Putin's tactics.

An invasion of Poland, Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia, all NATO members, would bring all members of NATO into the conflict, and we'd have War in Europe once more. Putin fears this, which is why he's targeting every nation of Europe within range that isn't a NATO member (Sweden was never part of the Soviet Union as they were technically 'neutral')

It's believed that Putin's motivation is to re-create a Russian Empire, a modern Tsardom, one that has influence over Europe so it will become less Transatlantic and allied with the United States, and instead be a Europe influenced by Russian doctrine. The more non-NATO nations he can swallow, the more he believes he will achieve this goal. Unfortunately for him, those nations are allied with NATO either directly, or as EU members, for his plan to succeed. The only European nation within reach that did not fit into either catagory was, you guessed it, Ukraine.
 
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