Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Octavian]

That's a hard decision to make.

You're in a foreign country, frightened and away from your surroundings, an enemy all around you and then the consequences of your actions for you and those back home.

I'm sure most don't get any satisfaction from shelling civilians, much the same as many bomber crews in WW2 didn't get satisfaction from raining bombs on German civilians. Many struggle to live with it afterwards, but at the time, the job still gets done.

As I sit in my comfortable warm living room with my coffee, I realize just how fortunate I am.

They’re not mindless robots. Bomber Command were aware of their circumstances and that Germany was the aggressor and caused the war but they also knew what they were doing. I happen to think the bombing of Dresden was a disgrace and maybe the darkest day in modern British history and there were questions ringing around the government and BC before it happened, from top down.

I personally think if you find yourself in a situation where your target is fleeing civilians then you do not follow orders and you face the consequences like a man.

 

[Slipper One]

Inaction could lead to invasions elsewhere around the globe. If other countries see the West doing very little then what's stopping nations with dictatorships across the globe from invading neighbouring countries? Sets a dangerous precedent by sitting back and watching the Ukraine conflict unfold.

I really don't understand a comment like this, both in Europe and globally, a huge amount is being done..........and we only know part of it.

 

[BlueAnorak]

We don't know for sure it would lead to WW3 but it provides weaker countries an excuse to not to challenge Putin

Maybe, but I have no desire to play Global Thermonuclear War unless absolutely necessary.
Sorry to the people of Ukraine about tha, but supporting their fight for independence with arms and ammo, food supplies and ostracising Russia is all they get for now.

 

[BlueAnorak]

World leaders are effectively saying that they are so frightened of Putin, they are happy to watch a minor country and its civilian population get slaughtered illegally.

Aren't you? He fucking terrifies me.
Letting Russia rearm without matching the fuckers over the last 15 years is a huge fucking mistake on a par with letting Germany rearm in the 1930s.

 

[Slipper One]

World leaders are effectively saying that they are so frightened of Putin, they are happy to watch a minor country and its civilian population get slaughtered illegally.

Really mossside?

This isn't a petty scrap in the school playground.

The decisions made now have huge implications on many nations, if not the whole world. Impulsive and emotional reactions are not the best at a time like this.

At this point in time, I think I'd prefer to put my trust in the European leadership and military, unlike us they have all the information.

 

[Metal Biker]

What l heard earlier was, approval that Crimea and the two other areas currently occupied by Russians are formally acknowledge d and, under no circumstances can Ukraine join an alliance such as NATO.

What I anticipated.

Well that's a hard NO.

 

[trumpton]

As I sit in my comfortable warm living room with my coffee, I realize just how fortunate I am.

Fucking hell yes.

You can afford to put the heating on :-)

 

[meltonblue]

It's not the people I'm ashamed of, it's the government.

Im still pretty ashamed of anyone who voted for quite a few of the results over the past few years tbh!

On the refugees, the very least we could be doing is setting up a station for processing in Calais instead of this (Patel has had to retract her previous statement that there was one set up)

 

[mancityvstoke]

Fucking hell yes.

You can afford to put the heating on :-)

Just had my Gas and leccy bill....that's without a 54% increase.. I'm going to freeze

 

[Tuearts right boot]

Yes. We can take those details down but we most likely can't cross reference them against anything to confirm if they are Russians or genuine.

That could probably only be confirmed by an interview and investigation to determine veracity of the refugee's life in their home country. Not something that can be done easily at border checkpoints.

The Yanks do it every day at the Mexican border crossings and they're dealing with people who have travelled from South America, they have to differentiate between genuines and drug cartels and as you mentioned, with a brief interview to back up their story. These operations can be done if...the governments want them done.

 

[domalino]

And when Ukraine tell him to do one, Putin will claim to the Russian population that he tried to be reasonable, but Ukraine failed to accept.

Oh my gosh, Putin will lie to the Russian public!!! Say it ain't so.

 

[Slipper One]

• Poland has taken in 1,027,603 refugees
• Hungary 180,163
• Moldova 82,762
• Slovakia 128,169
• Romania 78,977
• Russia 53,300
• Belarus 406
• United Kingdom 50

Leading the world??

Those are all countries in close proximity, just wondered if you have accurate figures you'd like to share for.....

Finland
Norway
Sweden
Denmark
Holland
Belgium
Spain
Portugal
Italy
Austria

...........or is it just the UK for some reason?

 

[domalino]

You are correct that the true comparison should be with countries like France, Germany, Italy and Spain. I've not seen the figures but clearly France has allowed in far more than us as we've refused entry to quite a few already in Calais, and Germany was in the news when thousands arrived at the train station in Berlin. There was a Ukrainian woman on the news who was refused entry to the UK despite her only foreign language being English. Her son knew a bit of Spanish from school so they went there instead and the Spanish let her in. It seems that nearly every European country is being welcoming to the refugees whilst we're tying them up with red tape whilst boasting that we're leading the way. Embarrassing.

It will end up looking like this, if not worse.

 

[domalino]

Im still pretty ashamed of anyone who voted for quite a few of the results over the past few years tbh!

On the refugees, the very least we could be doing is setting up a station for processing in Calais instead of this (Patel has had to retract her previous statement that there was one set up)

This has always been Priti Patel's MO.

Refugees have to cross the channel to claim asylum - even the ones with 100% legitimate claims as per the government's guidelines.

Remember the 40-odd people who drowned in the channel last year? If it went according to the averages, about 15 of them would have had legitimate asylum claims, but Patel would rather they drown on the way than set up a portacabin in Calais to sort out claims and let successful applicants onto a ferry.

 

[west didsblue]

Those are all countries in close proximity, just wondered if you have accurate figures you'd like to share for.....

Finland
Norway
Sweden
Denmark
Holland
Belgium
Spain
Portugal
Italy
Austria

...........or is it just the UK for some reason?

I've already responded to this point twice.
I'm interested in the UK because I live here.

 

[Slipper One]

Fucking hell yes.

You can afford to put the heating on :-)

I can..........extra fortunate I guess.

Don't care for the bills which the bastards keep sending at monthly intervals though. Spring will soon be here and then the A/C will be on when we hopefully get the summer weather.

 

[west didsblue]

It will end up looking like this, if not worse.

Yep, Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan will become Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Moldova and Romania, and we will probably end up near the bottom of the rest of Europe table as long as this government is in charge. Hopefully I'm wrong and we'll end up doing our fair share.

 

[mosssideblue]

Really mossside?

This isn't a petty scrap in the school playground.

The decisions made now have huge implications on many nations, if not the whole world. Impulsive and emotional reactions are not the best at a time like this.

At this point in time, I think I'd prefer to put my trust in the European leadership and military, unlike us they have all the information.

So, if Putin were to put a foot in Poland, we would suddenly find our spunk ?

 

[Slipper One]

I've already responded to this point twice.
I'm interested in the UK because I live here.

I was just asking for reasons of a fair comparison.

 

[mancityvstoke]

I can..........extra fortunate I guess.

Don't care for the bills which the bastards keep sending at monthly intervals though. Spring will soon be here and then the A/C will be on when we hopefully get the summer weather.

Clearly don't live in Manchester then.. hhahaha It's freezing in Summer here........like the devil lives nearby or summat