Russian invasion of Ukraine

Dadsupportedthem said:
I'm not here to spoonfeed you. If you can't see how Russia interfering in Brexit has had a domino effect on the rest of the shambles, then you aren't worth conversing with.
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You do like a good conspiracy theory I will give you that.

Pity you cant answer the question.
 
blueinsa said:
So you can’t?

No worries.
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How about the fact that due to Brexit, the UK can't apply the same Visa rule as the rest of the EU, and have to create their own bespoke system. Reminds me a bit of the bespoke track and trace system. How did that go again? Also, how is it that our friends in the EU can actually sanction the kleptokrats, where here they are given time to sell up and move their money? Anything to do with more effective regulations in the EU, whereas here the laws don't have a leg to stand on?
 
Looks like The UK & America will remove Russian oil imports. Both countries do not rely heavily on the import so it’s a good move.

Gulf states maybe called upon to take up the shortfall. Newcastle will be challenging soon enough ;)
 
Chris in London said:
True, but it's reasonable to point out that the volume of Russian capital in the UK equates to 10% of our GDP.

If that's true.
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No, it's ludicrous. Apples and oranges. One is capital deposits by a third party which may be withdrawn at any time, the other is an annual production figure. The true comparison would be annual British profits from the deposits and annual profits from our output, if you could construct such a figure.. In any case, GDP is a very dodgy measure, being a guesstimate based on relatively few data. It includes construction for example, completely different in nature from manufacturing output.
You might as well say that Russian deposits dwarf the amount spent on healthcare or any other random measure you want.
The weight of Russian balances could be compared to total uk balances, but that would not be as good political propaganda.
https://tradingeconomics.com/united...d 3775841.04 GBP,Million in September of 2014.
 
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blueinsa said:
Go on then brains.

What does the UK, Brexit and a non EU country like Ukraine invaded by Russia have to do with each other?
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As you're asking, there's two main areas where it's relevant. One is in relation to our refugee policy which has been clearly shaped by Brexit. Secondly it's in relation to the destabilisation of the west for the last 10 years through various factors including Russian funding of the Brexit campaign which many people believe was a factor in swinging the vote to leave the EU. Along with the associated interference with the 2016 US election that helped Trump get elected this has had the effect from a Russian perspective of NATO, the US and the EU all looking weaker and the UK looking isolated. A huge miscalculation on Putin's part because NATO, the UK, the US and the EU have acted as one in countering the Russians with sanctions and providing military supplies to Ukraine. However, without Brexit and Trump, I personally think that Putin may well have made the judgement that the invasion was doomed to failure thereby preventing it from happening. Instead it's doomed to failure anyway but a lot of people are going to die and the world is going to change because of it.
 
metalblue said:
We’ve been caught with our pants down a bit again. The sensible approach, IMHO and if permitted, would have been to setup welcome centres at the points the Ukrainian’s cross into Bulgaria, Poland etc for anyone wanting to come to the UK. Only questions necessary would be have you got passports? No? Wait you were running for your lives and didn’t pack a passport?!? How remiss of you… well we can see you’ve just fled Ukraine so let’s take a photo of you now and add it to this document which is your temporary UK passport whilst we sort this all out. Next question? Do you have any idea where you’re staying or can we help accommodate you? Finally….the buses are that way if you’d like to make your way over there we will transport you to the UK…last question, do you need any help getting to the bus? No? Great. Right who is next? 5 minutes tops and all done with a welcoming smile on our faces.

I know hindsight and all that but you can’t tell me our foreign office didn’t have a clue how to manage this properly? It’s not like we’ve never seen people leaving war torn countries before. Asleep at the wheel. Now we have people carting themselves over Europe to various locations and to process them we have to create a world more processing centres and bureaucracy.
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Your spot is very much on feller, not difficult at sll.
 
Dadsupportedthem said:
How about the fact that due to Brexit, the UK can't apply the same Visa rule as the rest of the EU, and have to create their own bespoke system. Reminds me a bit of the bespoke track and trace system. How did that go again? Also, how is it that our friends in the EU can actually sanction the kleptokrats, where here they are given time to sell up and move their money? Anything to do with more effective regulations in the EU, whereas here the laws don't have a leg to stand on?
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How about it is more to do with a govt. that are out of touch with the electorate regarding refugees That is nothing to do with Brexit. A clown that has parties whilst we are in lockdown is the problem.
We have left the e.u. it is pointless mentioning it time after time.
 
Blue Mist said:
How about it is more to do with a govt. that are out of touch with the electorate regarding refugees That is nothing to do with Brexit. A clown that has parties whilst we are in lockdown is the problem.
We have left the e.u. it is pointless mentioning it time after time.
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If you can't see the glaring connection to everything then I despair.
 
Dadsupportedthem said:
If you can't see the glaring connection to everything then I despair.
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So all those who voted to Leave are totally against allowing Ukrainians into this country and Johnson is doing what they want.

If you believe that you are beyond help never mind despair. What i will agree is you have managed to drag me into your childish Brexit bickering. I will not be replying again as it is pointless.
 
domalino said:
While he's ultimately to blame, I think we've moved past the whole "I didn't know what was going on, Putin just sent us here" phase of the war.

Putin is a war criminal but no one made the man in that tank kill those civilians.
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I broadly agree with the last statement but people acting under orders from a percieved higher authority have a distorted view of responsibility for their actions.
There were various psychological studies conducted post WW2 by Milgram at Yale University which tried to investigate the "only acting under orders" defense which was used during the Nuremberg trials and the results did offer some support to this.
Whilst they experiments were flawed, more controlled ones were performed with very similar results.

That said I still think the twat in the tank needs ending, permanently regardless.
 
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