Russian invasion of Ukraine

[meltonblue]

Where did you see this please?

On the bbc live news page, also here -

Israeli officials say Russia-Ukraine ceasefire talks at critical point

Israeli prime minister Naftali Bennett spoke with Zelensky and Putin again on Tuesday.

www.axios.com

We’ll find out tomorrow if that’s really all they’re asking for now I imagine.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Johnson did say that they’re anticipating taking in hundreds of thousands in the coming months, though that is admittedly little comfort to those seeking refuge now.

Presumably Ukrainians flying into Dublin could rather easily make their way into Ulster.

I heard that - I'm baffled as to how long it would take to get to that number.

BBC reporting that the Lille visa application centre was news to the Lille authorities, they heard about it from British media. There isn't anything obvious there either, and the Ukrainians holed up in Calais hostels have no-one visiting them to keep them informed.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

According to Ben Wallace.

We have sent 3600 NLAWs

We are going to start sending Javelins and the new Starstreak anti aircraft missile - which is significant because they go at over 3,000 mph.

Modern fighters can go around 1300mph, Stinger missiles do about 1400mph, so they can be outrun over the 5 miles or so the missile has fuel for. Can’t outrun a starstreak.

Having checked Wiki, the javelin appears a fearsome anti tank weapon. Carried by one man, Auto targetting and tracking of even moving targets and has a range of 2.5km. Who would be a tank crew in this day and age. Just my thoughts as a geologist and not a military person. ;-)

 

[Elbow beards]

Huh, wiki ! I had an Action Man (with movable arms) so I know all about military conflict.

Didn't they all have movable arms? :) Mine had eagle eyes, so there.

 

[hello]

So it is being talked about today that we might send ukraine anti tank and anti aircraft weapons , thought we were the first in the world to give them these weapons ? Every minister and the clown in charge have been bragging about it , worst lies than the mad russian himself

As much I hate the we were first bollocks from Westminster, it’s pretty evident the first shipments into Ukraine after the invasion were efp stock from Poland, similarly it was rapid trident stock from October exercises where 15k Ukrainian army personnel were trained on using them amongst other tactical lessons that were the primary line of armour resistance.
So whilst being true it has fuck all to do with anything anyone in Westminster did.

 

[SPIDERBOY]

Quite a change in rhetoric today, sounds like Russia is now only asking for demilitarisation of the Donbas region. Going to be interesting to see how the talks between the foreign ministers go tomorrow.

Won't happen,IMO.......it's Malitias in that region.

 

[kaz7]

Boris saying about security risks of refugees but we will try and be generous , the 200,000 was a great sound bite

 

[domalino]

Who would be a tank crew in this day and age. Just my thoughts as a geologist and not a military person.

Seems like the worst job going right now.

The Russians have started welding a sort of cage on top of their tanks (the missiles fly up in the air and come down on the roof of the tank where the armour is thinner.

Based on the number of destroyed tanks and APCs with cages welded on the top it seems to have made no difference at all.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

Even the Vinson wouldn't see a hypersonic missile coming, sadly.

They have invested heavily in these new generation missiles which move five times the speed of sound and can take out a carrier without a blip on the radar.

The US are about 18 months behind on hypersonics.

The cruise or hypersonic missile is the policy maker now as having loads of tanks are only useful if you are going to invade somewhere. Letting the enemy know you can hit them anywhere on the planet within a short period time is a lot more scarier than parking tanks on the lawn.

 

[domalino]

Boris saying about security risks of refugees but we will try and be generous , the 200,000 was a great sound bite

The security thing is just an age old tactic to whip up some more fear of refugees.

 

[kaz7]

I see bluemoon is now full of military experts, Wikipedia is a wonderful thing. Lol

We are watching news from here and the yanks and posting it on here and discussing it , what is the problem ?

 

[kaz7]

The security thing is just an age old tactic to whip up some more fear of refugees.

I agree , as a country we are being shown up really badly by the gov being scared of losing the next election if we let them in

 

[domalino]

I heard that - I'm baffled as to how long it would take to get to that number.

BBC reporting that the Lille visa application centre was news to the Lille authorities, they heard about it from British media. There isn't anything obvious there either, and the Ukrainians holed up in Calais hostels have no-one visiting them to keep them informed.

Its part of the tactic.

Come up with a big headline figure - 200,000 - without mentioning that you’ve made it so fucking difficult to get in that even the Ukrainian Ambassador hasn’t been able to get his wife into the country despite trying for years.

Then when the actual figures come out in a year and the conservative voters are more worried about immigration than Ukraine, there’s a nice low figure to defend in the election.

 

[kinkyblue]

Seems like the worst job going right now.

The Russians have started welding a sort of cage on top of their tanks (the missiles fly up in the air and come down on the roof of the tank where the armour is thinner.

Based on the number of destroyed tanks and APCs with cages welded on the top it seems to have made no difference at all.

It probably won’t! Javelin are a dual warhead designed to get around reactive armour

 

[domalino]

I agree , as a country we are being shown up really badly by the gov being scared of losing the next election if we let them in

He will find it’s a lot harder to portray white Ukrainian refugees as terrorist than it was with Syrians.

 

[domalino]

It probably won’t! Javelin are a dual warhead designed to get around reactive armour

You can see a before/after here -





Shows how scared the tank crews must be though.

 

[Protein Junkie]

Didn't they all have movable arms? :) Mine had eagle eyes, so there.

Beard ?

 

[Tuearts right boot]

Huh, wiki ! I had an Action Man (with movable arms) so I know all about military conflict.

Pfft....moveable arms my arse, did he have realistic hair, he's nothing without realistic hair.

 

[hello]

Seems like the worst job going right now.

The Russians have started welding a sort of cage on top of their tanks (the missiles fly up in the air and come down on the roof of the tank where the armour is thinner.

Based on the number of destroyed tanks and APCs with cages welded on the top it seems to have made no difference at all.

Those might offer limited protection against rpgs which is what Russia experienced in Chechnya & Afghanistan. They would be pretty effective against Molotov’s, that said Molotov’s should be directed at tracks first to disable anyway.
A tandem heat warhead like javelin or spike is going through any current armour and isn’t getting stopped by a cage no matter what Putin says.

 

[domalino]

On the bbc live news page, also here -

Israeli officials say Russia-Ukraine ceasefire talks at critical point

Israeli prime minister Naftali Bennett spoke with Zelensky and Putin again on Tuesday.

www.axios.com

We’ll find out tomorrow if that’s really all they’re asking for now I imagine.

So all the Ukrainians have to do is is give away another massive chunk of land - the mineral and oil rich region that the economy is based on.

Then after the 2028 war they just give another bit.

And in the 2035 war they can just join Russia entirely.

I understand the desire to stop the fighting and the casualties but I think all Ukrainians know Putin is only going to come back and next time he won’t fuck up his war plan and give the Ukrainians a chance.

This invasion has been planned for years, the Russians simply cannot make up for all the blunders they made, it will take months to build more missiles and supply trucks and come up with counter strategies …. Unless they get another few years to regroup and launch another one.

The bit about the Israelis telling the US and EU about the terms because Ukraine didn’t shows that Ukraine is expecting to get fucked by the West.

Germany et al. desperate to stop having to sanction Russia or deal with refugees will say “Take the offer of only losing 1/3 of your country or the weapons tap is turned off”.