Liverpool (H) | Post match thread

We need a striker so desperately and obviously that I wouldn’t be surprised if the hateful 8 push the premier league for a transfer ban before summer as a result of their “investigation”

good point I guess, but could have been more! But at least it’s in our hands now. Reckon we’ll do them in for the SF and the final of the CL when we inevitably meet them again
 
g180aj said:
I was more pissed off with the so called foul on Mane just before half time when Foden fired the rocket in to the far corner.
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MOTD froze it in the highkights as per that NBC shot. but the premier league have offered up the following frame as part of their in game graphics.

anyone know what the rule is about where
you should ‘freeze’ it? ie when you can see the player has kicked it (you could argue the first frame is frozen just before kev moves the ball)
 
Saddleworth2 said:
The more this gets posted the better. It’s time that media and pundits discussed the detail of this and others like it. Robbed. Var is not intended to check for mm. It is not capable of checking for mm. When a goal is disallowed on the basis of mm. Something really dodgy is going on. Fs it’s obvious that frame is not when the ball left Kevins foot it’s already a foot away. If there is that margin of error how can they decide that Stirlings shoulder is offside. Cheats. That is all it is. Cheats.
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I’m ok with offsides being black and white decisions if the technology can handle it, even if the offside is a ridiculously close call.

What I don’t like about offsides now, and it isn’t something new to the offside rule, but it is something that has become far more prominent with VAR…the body part that the offside is given against. Sterling scores with his right foot, his right foot is 2 yards onside. He gets given offside because of his left shoulder, on a play where the ball has never left the ground.

For me, instead of all the talk of making the lines thicker/thinner blah blah blah, if you want a fairer system, judge the offside call on the body part used to score the goal.
 
Dippers are in a marginally worse position with 1 game less now.
Before the game it was still in their hands by beating us, now it isn’t in their hands.
My only worry is Conor Coady who is a lifelong dipper not being as honest as he should be when he plays them.
Did he not miss an open goal in 2019 against them?
 
OB1 said:
I've been saying for ages the offside rule needs changing if we are stuck with VAR but this doesn't look like they have even got it right under the current rule.
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In the stadium I accepted that Raheem was offside, but having seen MOTD2, as others are saying the ball's already left Kevin's foot!!!!!! Not offside!!
 
OrigamiNinja said:
I’m ok with offsides being black and white decisions if the technology can handle it, even if the offside is a ridiculously close call.

What I don’t like about offsides now, and it isn’t something new to the offside rule, but it is something that has become far more prominent with VAR…the body part that the offside is given against. Sterling scores with his right foot, his right foot is 2 yards onside. He gets given offside because of his left shoulder, on a play where the ball has never left the ground.

For me, instead of all the talk of making the lines thicker/thinner blah blah blah, if you want a fairer system, judge the offside call on the body part used to score the goal.
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Excellent point
 
OrigamiNinja said:
I’m ok with offsides being black and white decisions if the technology can handle it, even if the offside is a ridiculously close call.

What I don’t like about offsides now, and it isn’t something new to the offside rule, but it is something that has become far more prominent with VAR…the body part that the offside is given against. Sterling scores with his right foot, his right foot is 2 yards onside. He gets given offside because of his left shoulder, on a play where the ball has never left the ground.

For me, instead of all the talk of making the lines thicker/thinner blah blah blah, if you want a fairer system, judge the offside call on the body part used to score the goal.
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My understanding is that offside has always been about any part of the body you can legally score with. In Raheem's case they've freeze framed after the ball's left Kevin's foot. Freeze frame to the point of release and Raheem's not offside - not even by mm.
 
Keepingthefaithsince1976 said:
Surely the offside rule is when the ball is kicked. So when Kdb strikes the ball (makes contact, not when it leaves his foot).
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Strike and release are the same thing aren't they - unless you're scooping the ball ? But we were screwed because the ball's already left Kevin's foot when Raheem's shoulder was ruled offside. Not offside at the point of release!!
 
HarrytheBlue said:
My understanding is that offside has always been about any part of the body you can legally score with. In Raheem's case they've freeze framed after the ball's left Kevin's foot. Freeze frame to the point of release and Raheem's not offside - not even by mm.
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As I said it’s nothing new, but pre VAR nobody even took someones shoulder into consideration, even though it was always the rule.

I guarantee that pre VAR, if the linesman had put his flag up for that today there would have been uproar because without the VAR lines, you are instantly drawn to looking at Sterlings legs and he looks well onside.

VAR may have introduced correct decisions by the letter of the law, but the law itself is a bag of shit when people are being given offside when their shoulder is mm offside and they score with their foot.
 
M Gaudino said:
well he didnt cripple him since he was up and walking in 30 seconds. it was a single footed challenge that caught the ankle = yellow in the history of modern football

Thiago caught KDB after already being fouled hence the ref cant really judge it a yellow for the position on the pitch etc and only look for red for violent conduct. VAR also cannot issue a second yellow.
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I'm not sure what "the history of modern football" means. The law says "Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play."
 
Stoned Rose said:
Not sure if wumming or mental.
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Do you think Ederson launching it straight to Allison from our kick off which they scored from 30 seconds later had no bearing on the equaliser? If you don't then fair doo's but let's not pretend thinking it did is mental or trying to wum.
 
HarrytheBlue said:
Strike and release are the same thing aren't they - unless you're scooping the ball ? But we were screwed because the ball's already left Kevin's foot when Raheem's shoulder was ruled offside. Not offside at the point of release!!
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Well if as has been suggested their are 50 frames per second i would say (imo) the frame used is the one where kdb's foot first touches the ball. Wouldnt that be between approximately 0.1 & 0.5 seconds before the ball leaves his foot? So if there are 50 frames a second the var can be 25 frames off in this instance. How reassuring that the PL have cleared this up for the match going minimum wage earning fan base.
 
Really enjoyed it today. The football at times was breathless with two great teams going head to head. Some of our football was just incredible and its brilliant to watch a game where our players have the space to fully express themselves.

Tremendous occasion.
 
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