That’s quite an extreme statement. There are plenty of Labour party MPs from working class backgrounds with politics that are closer to your views.
Even someone to the left of your politics like Nadia Whittome donates half her parliamentary salary to charity and worked in social care during the pandemic (and donated her wages from that as well).
Who's being foolish? He's spot on, as proven by the last GE and these local election results. Labour is becoming a centrist liberal talking shop rather than a labour movement and has lost touch with the majority of the voting population.
That’s quite an extreme statement. There are plenty of Labour party MPs from working class backgrounds with politics that are closer to your views.
Even someone to the left of your politics like Nadia Whittome donates half her parliamentary salary to charity and worked in social care during the pandemic (and donated her wages from that as well).
Unlike the current cabinet who have a collective net worth of over half a billion pounds…….Thats exactly what they are and always have been.
They have nothing in common with me or my life or the vast majority of us.
In spite of being a "sir", Starmer came from a fairly traditional working class background with his father being a toolmaker and his mother a nurse. Certainly not what some would term metropolitan elites.Is there that much of a correlation between their backgrounds and their politics anyway? I think the PLP has always had quite a lot of middle class and upwards MPs because that's the nature of politics in this country, Yes people from ordinary backgrounds, like Keir Hardie or Ramsey Macdonald have led the party but I imagine it's probably had more upper/middle class leaders in its history. The likes of Attlee were hardly from the 'hood. Some of the more recent radical senior labour politicians have been prep school boys that probably had upbringings completely different from mine but somewhere along the line our values converge.
Who would you vote for then?
It’s seems that if we get close to the general election and it looks like the Tories will win again the opposition parties need to man up and do something about it. They only need to work together for one general election and put to one side their differences. Campaign on what they agree on. Get in change the voting system and then go there own way.
Wouldn’t affect local elections anyhow.
Is that as true in May 2022 as it was in May 2011? I’m not so sure. It is not impossible for Labour to win outright without a rump of Scottish MPs, but from where they are now it might be impossible to win the kind of majority they enjoyed in 1997 if they are reliant solely on English and Welsh votes.depends what the policies were. I’m mainly voting based on that. I voted the Lib Dems yesterday as I like the councillor and the policies have been good for where I live.
your second point about them getting in and changing the voting system isn’t going to happen. Why would labour do that? It would negatively effect them
your other point about teaming up is not going to be a vote winner. Two separate parties. Surely Labour should be winning anyway - are they really in that poor of a situation they can’t win on their own?
The talking shop eroded Corbyn from within. Now patting themselves on the backs for a job well done it's becoming apparent they have nothing to offer apart from not being Boris. With the state of the current govt you'd have thought this would be enough, but looking at the local election results it appears not.Have some trouble following that logic, it has become a centrist talking shop as proven by results under Jeremy Corbyn?
Can you explain that?
In spite of being a "sir", Starmer came from a fairly traditional working class background with his father being a toolmaker and his mother a nurse. Certainly not what some would term metropolitan elites.
your other point about teaming up is not going to be a vote winner. Two separate parties. Surely Labour should be winning anyway - are they really in that poor of a situation they can’t win on their own?
Labour cannot win in England post 2015 loss of their Scottish votes and post Brexit.depends what the policies were. I’m mainly voting based on that. I voted the Lib Dems yesterday as I like the councillor and the policies have been good for where I live.
your second point about them getting in and changing the voting system isn’t going to happen. Why would labour do that? It would negatively effect them
your other point about teaming up is not going to be a vote winner. Two separate parties. Surely Labour should be winning anyway - are they really in that poor of a situation they can’t win on their own?
I still think Cameron's first referendum (electoral reform) which threw out PR will prove to be as damaging as brexit. We were persuaded of the horrors of a 'hung parliament' to ensure twenty years of Tory govt :-(
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depends what the policies were. I’m mainly voting based on that. I voted the Lib Dems yesterday as I like the councillor and the policies have been good for where I live.
your second point about them getting in and changing the voting system isn’t going to happen. Why would labour do that? It would negatively effect them
your other point about teaming up is not going to be a vote winner. Two separate parties. Surely Labour should be winning anyway - are they really in that poor of a situation they can’t win on their own?
Thing is it also means I'm calling him a fucking tool as well.He does keep brining up the fact his dad was a tool maker - you can bet Fail and Express juorno's have already checked in the hopes it was a euphemism for dildo maker lol
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Totally but see this for what it is which is a distraction engineered to distract that disasterous local elections. Granted they were not quite so bad as feared but this is all about providing cover to keep Johnson in power. The right wing rabid media have had this smear ready to unleash just before the elections and Johnson is set be hit with more fines. Whilst the sham police investigation goes on there will be plenty of finger wagging from the Tories who will be attempting to draw a line between Johnson and Starmer.
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