Today's shooting in America thread

Slipper One said:
...........and I'm sure you're a very safe and considerate driver, but I don't want to be on the road when 'you' when you decide to use your phone, send a text, overtake, speed, drink/drive, run an amber or whatever people do when they cause accidents. Better to ban cars, because that would solve the problem.
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I see you’ve continued your theme of posting idiotic arguments.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Says you, but you don’t get to decide!

It is a FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT, codified in law.

This is the reality of which I speak, and you reject.
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Should you have the right to an Abrams tank with all the functions afforded to soldiers in active deployment, or RPG’s?
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Trying to figure out how the "if we criminalize gun ownership, criminals will only get guns anyway" argument squares with "we must criminalize abortion."

Won't these new "criminals" just get abortions anyway?
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That and the criminalisation of drugs. Surely there’s no point are criminals will just hug and sell drugs anyway.
 
SWP's back said:
Should you have the right to an Abrams tank with all the functions afforded to soldiers in active deployment, or RPG’s?
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Not answering stupid questions to which you (should) already know the answer.

Read Heller, if you really care. I am pretty sure you won’t read it.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
The “normalization” is because it has ALWAYS BEEN NORMAL. The use of that term suggests abnormality, which is completely false.

You can feel as you want about whether it should be normal or not, but to suggest it has EVER been any other way is intellectually dishonest.

I am wholly in favor of strict and enforced penalties for anyone who commits a crime with a gun…loaded or unloaded, used of simply wielded.

33 shot and 5 murdered in Chicago this weekend, as we had a mini heatwave that had everyone outdoors.

Accordingly, this Summer is going to be a bloodbath, as always, when the heat gets turned up!

However, the biggest problem people seem to have is that it appears to be migrating from being relatively contained in South Side neighborhood, tit for tat, banger shootings into Downtown Chicago, with more and more “give me your phone/wallet/valuables” mugging sand shootings in prime retail and restaurant districts.

It’s not going to be pretty and I have told my kids to steer clear of the city this summer! That’s just sad, given that is when Chicago excels!

Disclaimer: I am the owner of 3 Glocks handguns and, apparently, only a hair trigger from a “rampage,” so I could be part of the problem?! smh
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The 'normalisation' I mentioned is right there in your answer.

It is not normal for people living in Europe to be telling their kids not to go somewhere in case they get shot. It is not normal in Europe when the temperature rises for 33 individuals to be wounded and 5 killed in a single City in two days. It is not normal in Europe for individuals to own 3 Glock handguns, whatever they are, and it is not normal in Europe to live in fear of being shot.

Those are strightforward facts which is why I said it all seems a bit wierd to those of us living in a country where guns are not part of the culture.

I'm not being intellectually dishonest about it as I have always been aware guns exist in the US. I'm just glad I live in a country that doesn't have the concerns you have that makes you buy 3 Glock handguns as a seeming necessity.
 
NPBlue said:
The 'normalisation' I mentioned is right there in your answer.

It is not normal for people living in Europe to be telling their kids not to go somewhere in case they get shot. It is not normal in Europe when the temperature rises for 33 individuals to be wounded and 5 killed in a single City in two days. It is not normal in Europe for individuals to own 3 Glock handguns, whatever they are, and it is not normal in Europe to live in fear of being shot.

Those are strightforward facts which is why I said it all seems a bit wierd to those of us living in a country where guns are not part of the culture.

I'm not being intellectually dishonest about it as I have always been aware guns exist in the US. I'm just glad I live in a country that doesn't have the concerns you have that makes you buy 3 Glock handguns as a seeming necessity.
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I’ll stand by my initial statement:

The “normalization” is because it has ALWAYS BEEN NORMAL. The use of that term suggests abnormality, which is completely false.

We were always talking about the USA. Injecting other countries and cultures into the equation is specious.
 
twosips said:
What on earth do you look at them as then? They literally only have one purpose.
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I shoot clays, targets or vermin........never entered my head to shoot people.

I do get the occasional cyclist riding by, now you've got me thinking.
 
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ChicagoBlue said:
Not answering stupid questions to which you (should) already know the answer.

Read Heller, if you really care. I am pretty sure you won’t read it.
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I’ve read Heller. Wait til this Court gets a hold of clause 2, which rather cavalierly holds that 2A does not offer an “unlimited” right to weaponry. It will when they’re done, especially given this group’s fairly obvious lack of regard for stare decisis. They’ll zero right in on that “weapons of the time” portion to allow legal soldier-grade possession by the citizenry of today’s weapons. And the NRA will file a glittering patriotic amicus brief.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
I’ll stand by my initial statement:

The “normalization” is because it has ALWAYS BEEN NORMAL. The use of that term suggests abnormality, which is completely false.

We were always talking about the USA. Injecting other countries and cultures into the equation is specious.
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You can't see it, can you, how abnormal your acceptance of normal attitudes the rest of the world regards as abnormal is?

I'm going out tomorrow night. I have a 15 minute walk to the pub in the village, and I'm not going to be shot on the way there as I trudge along the pavement, and probably trip up at some point on the way home.

Enjoy telling your kids how to evade bullets. Zig Zag, boys and girls, and run for your lives.
 
JASR said:
@SWP's back made the point that US citizens aren't allowed to keep tank's that fire rounds... or grenades, or artillery, or armed planes, or warships, or missile systems, or torpedo/missile submarines, or NCB weapons... so if none of those are allowed under the wording of 2A's 'right to bear arms', then 2A's 'right to bear arms' is very selective and has been subjectively changed to literally mean 'pistols and rifles (and anything below - bow and arrows, blades etc).
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The basic answer to that is that the manufacturers of missiles, tanks and submarines don't heavily lobby (bribe) politicians to remove any restrictions to the general public buying them. They might lobby them for more military spending, but that's a different story.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
I’ve read Heller. Wait til this Court gets a hold of clause 2, which rather cavalierly holds that 2A does not offer an “unlimited” right to weaponry. It will when they’re done, especially given this group’s fairly obvious lack of regard for stare decisis. They’ll zero right in on that “weapons of the time” portion to allow legal soldier-grade possession by the citizenry of today’s weapons. And the NRA will file a glittering patriotic amicus brief.
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I think the Rs have no desire to make an issue of 2A.
 
NPBlue said:
You can't see it, can you, how abnormal your acceptance of normal attitudes the rest of the world regards as abnormal is?

I'm going out tomorrow night. I have a 15 minute walk to the pub in the village, and I'm not going to be shot on the way there as I trudge along the pavement, and probably trip up at some point on the way home.

Enjoy telling your kids how to evade bullets. Zig Zag, boys and girls, and run for your lives.
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You are a special kind of crazy, aren’t you?!

Sounds like you posted just after you got back from tripping home!
 
SWP's back said:
It’s fair to say that the U.K. IS morally superior when it comes to the regulation of firearms for the protection of it’s citizens.
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As the U.K. becomes ever more Americanised, my concern is that their gun manufacturers will seek a new market here.
For those who think it can't/won't happen, consider the creeping privatisation of OUR N.H.S.
Everything is for sale to the highest bidder (briber?) by this lying, immoral, law breaking shower which we have the absolute and utter misfortune to be governed by.
 
Grassland Blue said:
As the U.K. becomes ever more Americanised, my concern is that their gun manufacturers will seek a new market here.
For those who think it can't/won't happen, consider the creeping privatisation of OUR N.H.S.
Everything is for sale to the highest bidder (briber?) by this lying, immoral, law breaking shower which we have the absolute and utter misfortune to be governed by.
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Why would they do that? No one in America who owns a gun doesn’t need another one. Ask those who own. The sky’s the limit on the market, and many pesky restrictions will be lifted across the board. Whoopee!

Maybe we can expand our chocolate-flavored vape business over there though. You’ve got some kids unaddicted to nicotine as of yet, right?
 
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