Liverpool Thread - 2021/22

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gordondaviesmoustache said:
The fact the standards of crowd management and policing had to be stress tested to such a tragic extent means attending (Chelsea) supporters must be culpable. What other logical conclusion can be drawn? It’s akin to blaming a death caused by speeding on a faulty seatbelt. If you weren’t speeding in the first place then the faulty seatbelt wouldn’t be an issue (in that instance).

The most unappealing thing for me about this enduring denial around their role in Heysel, which is manifest to anyone who has read around the subject and is capable of objective thought, is that many Liverpool supporters choose to ignore the tragedy because to do so enables them to pontificate to others about how their club, and crucially its supporters, are somehow superior to others’. To admit that they caused the death of 39 people would serve to undermine that.

They have absolutely no right to lecture anyone on their superiority, moral or otherwise. They are a group of supporters like any other. Some good, some bad and with a history that is very far from perfect, and one I’m certainly grateful that I’m not invested in. As if winning all those European Trophies somehow extinguishes what they caused at Heysel. How can it? So they pretend it didn’t happen. Or that is wasn’t their fault, when it demonstrably was and an event that should temper and constrain their collective hubris and give them cause for reflection, rather than be consciously ignored so that hubris can remain front and centre.

Because this means more.
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Superb.
 
LongsightM13 said:
Fucking animals.
This despicable club and its rancid, shameless, hypocritical fanbase should never, ever be allowed to forget this outrage, no matter how hard they try to airbrush it from history.
It is a Mark of Cain they will carry forever, yet they still have the brass necked gall to declare themselves “European Royalty”.
What, like Attila the Hun?
That they are planning a party on the anniversary of the day their fans committed mass murder is mind boggling, tone deaf and utterly shameless
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Brilliantly put mate, utterly shameless scum the red scouse bastards
 
LongsightM13 said:
Fucking animals.
This despicable club and its rancid, shameless, hypocritical fanbase should never, ever be allowed to forget this outrage, no matter how hard they try to airbrush it from history.
It is a Mark of Cain they will carry forever, yet they still have the brass necked gall to declare themselves “European Royalty”.
What, like Attila the Hun?
That they are planning a party on the anniversary of the day their fans committed mass murder is mind boggling, tone deaf and utterly shameless
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Posts like this should be printed on an industrial scale and then scattered all over that festering cesspit, dipperpool. The residents there should be reminded constantly of what a significant number of their club's supporters are proud to have done - brought shame upon world football.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
The fact the standards of crowd management and policing had to be stress tested to such a tragic extent means attending (Chelsea) supporters must be culpable. What other logical conclusion can be drawn? It’s akin to blaming a death caused by speeding on a faulty seatbelt. If you weren’t speeding in the first place then the faulty seatbelt wouldn’t be an issue (in that instance).

The most unappealing thing for me about this enduring denial around their role in Heysel, which is manifest to anyone who has read around the subject and is capable of objective thought, is that many Liverpool supporters choose to ignore the tragedy because to do so enables them to pontificate to others about how their club, and crucially its supporters, are somehow superior to others’. To admit that they caused the death of 39 people would serve to undermine that.

They have absolutely no right to lecture anyone on their superiority, moral or otherwise. They are a group of supporters like any other. Some good, some bad and with a history that is very far from perfect, and one I’m certainly grateful that I’m not invested in. As if winning all those European Trophies somehow extinguishes what they caused at Heysel. How can it? So they pretend it didn’t happen. Or that is wasn’t their fault, when it demonstrably was and an event that should temper and constrain their collective hubris and give them cause for reflection, rather than be consciously ignored so that hubris can remain front and centre.

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I like you
 
ChicagoBlue said:
From the article:

“Some 50,000 tickets were sold for the European Cup final on May 29, 1985, and many more got in without one but, when the day was done, 39 football fans lay dead.

With hindsight, the Heysel Stadium tragedy merely foreshadowed an even greater one - albeit in only partly-related circumstances, at Hillsborough four years later.”

The common thread running through both disasters????
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When we won the league under pellergrini and lost 3-2 at anfield, i had the misfortune of going into a pub in wavertree after going to the game as my dad has scouse pals (i know).
the vermin were particularly chipper as they thought theyd pretty much won the prem that day.
Anyway, got talking to one and he was pointing out photos that were around the bar of european trips theyd all been on. Showed me one, cant remember where, of a stand they were all in. They were stood on seats with someone stood in front of them, so basically doubled up. He told me there was twice as many in the stand as there shouldve been. People jumping turnstyles, passing tickets back through, etc. He was pretty proud.
I smiled , as you do. But all i was thinking was , “do you lot never fuckin learn”.
 
Bluesince1979 said:
When we won the league under pellergrini and lost 3-2 at anfield, i had the misfortune of going into a pub in wavertree after going to the game as my dad has scouse pals (i know).
the vermin were particularly chipper as they thought theyd pretty much won the prem that day.
Anyway, got talking to one and he was pointing out photos that were around the bar of european trips theyd all been on. Showed me one, cant remember where, of a stand they were all in. They were stood on seats with someone stood in front of them, so basically doubled up. He told me there was twice as many in the stand as there shouldve been. People jumping turnstyles, passing tickets back through, etc. He was pretty proud.
I smiled , as you do. But all i was thinking was , “do you lot never fuckin learn”.
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You only have to look at the semi against us this year to realise they never learn. Jibbing in, overcrowded lower tier, flares galore, not just the odd one, then the same in the final I believe plus the booing and the robbing. But it’s ok because it’s not their fault and their head cheer leader says they wouldn’t do it without reason. I just wish that next time they play there that their allocation is cut n half and bocks of seats had to be kept empty and the council tell the entire world why. Utter vermin who just won’t ever accept responsibility for anything.
 
Bluesince1979 said:
When we won the league under pellergrini and lost 3-2 at anfield, i had the misfortune of going into a pub in wavertree after going to the game as my dad has scouse pals (i know).
the vermin were particularly chipper as they thought theyd pretty much won the prem that day.
Anyway, got talking to one and he was pointing out photos that were around the bar of european trips theyd all been on. Showed me one, cant remember where, of a stand they were all in. They were stood on seats with someone stood in front of them, so basically doubled up. He told me there was twice as many in the stand as there shouldve been. People jumping turnstyles, passing tickets back through, etc. He was pretty proud.
I smiled , as you do. But all i was thinking was , “do you lot never fuckin learn”.
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It means more.
And it wouldn't be there fault anyway
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
This is almost certainly correct. The state of the stadium most likely saved more lives than it took. It’s simple physics and perfectly stands to reason.
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It’s interesting isn’t it, the examples used to say why the state of the stadia caused it “chicken wire” separating fans. So when I go & watch wallabies v England at Optus stadium in Perth which has no segregation I’ll be taking my life in my own hands. No I’ve just realised we’ll be safe because there are proper turnstiles so that won’t cause ticketless fans to get sucked in.
 
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