Kalvin Phillips | Joins City on a 6-year deal

[Cobwebcat]

First or all, have you been following Real Madrid’s squad? Secondly, it’s only “one available position” if you have a narrow tactical mind.
You are also comparing completely different teams. There aren’t “backups” in our team as there are in Liverpool’s. This isn’t how our squad ia built conceptually. Hence why it is smaller than everyone else’s but also why the average quality is also higher and why we can’t afford drop offs in quality

Yeah I agree. City are pretty unique in this respect very low numbers very high quality.

There will always be a preferred choice on different occasions but the term “back up” I don‘t think is correct.

 

[mj1991]

which is wrong. They also have Grealish at 105.75m. Site isnt accurate.

Yeah, one of the most prestigious sides about transfers is not accurate. They are making mistakes on purpose.

 

[bluenova]

which is wrong. They also have Grealish at 105.75m. Site isnt accurate.

It's essentially updated by volunteers (a little like wikipedia), with the assumption that enough sources will get it right, but a lot of the contributors are quite open about it not being a 100% reliable source.

There was an interview with a guy who leads on most German transfers and he said he's amazed that quite large clubs use the data when working out values of players, as it's mostly him guessing (based on as many sources as he can find).

However, it is the best source around, even if far from perfect. I consider it approximately useful - Just don't bet your life in an argument based on the data.

ps. don't trash it completely - it's quite possible this Summer that in the 5 year net spend chart, Liverpool will overtake City ;)

 

[mrsprkl]

In City backup doesn't exist. Why are people talking about backup when we have the thinnest squad in the league? We need to have a HUGE QUALITY midfielder not fuckin back-up. We need something that would be a competition for all the midfielders, no backup. Is Real, Liverpool, or the other top clubs buying backups? I don't think so. "RODRI'S BACK UP" is the most deluded sentence about the potential midfielder transfer.

OK, it wouldn't be your and my problem if Rodri gets injured, but a BIG PROBLEM for the club and I think everyone will be happy with Gundogan as a 6 and zero defensive awareness in midfield :) Amazing. Buying DM is a priority. If Rodri gets injured we have ZERO OPTIONS, coz Gundogan is not an option.

We have had a year to prepare for Fernandinho's leaving.

You sound surprised, how long did it take to replace Aguero and Kompany?

 

[Gaz (FMwkdsoul)]

It's essentially updated by volunteers (a little like wikipedia), with the assumption that enough sources will get it right, but a lot of the contributors are quite open about it not being a 100% reliable source.

There was an interview with a guy who leads on most German transfers and he said he's amazed that quite large clubs use the data when working out values of players, as it's mostly him guessing (based on as many sources as he can find).

However, it is the best source around, even if far from perfect. I consider it approximately useful - Just don't bet your life in an argument based on the data.

ps. don't trash it completely - it's quite possible this Summer that in the 5 year net spend chart, Liverpool will overtake City ;)

I know they are usually 5% ish either way. Its a good rule of thumb but not accurate.

Rodri was a release clause at 62.6 both La liga and City reported it.

Transfermarkt have jack at 105 for some reason, haaland is 67 etc

 

[Cobwebcat]

Is it just me or does it feel like we're stockpiling English talent? Reckon there could be some changes to the homegrown rule in the future? It just seems odd that we're spending so much on English players when there could be cheaper foreign players

I think there was a time around Brexit where this could have been true but not now. England just happen to have some very good players right now plus it can help if the core comes from a similar culture like the Barca team of 2012

 

[blueparrot]

In City backup doesn't exist. Why are people talking about backup when we have the thinnest squad in the league? We need to have a HUGE QUALITY midfielder not fuckin back-up. We need something that would be a competition for all the midfielders, no backup. Is Real, Liverpool, or the other top clubs buying backups? I don't think so. "RODRI'S BACK UP" is the most deluded sentence about the potential midfielder transfer.

OK, it wouldn't be your and my problem if Rodri gets injured, but a BIG PROBLEM for the club and I think everyone will be happy with Gundogan as a 6 and zero defensive awareness in midfield :) Amazing. Buying DM is a priority. If Rodri gets injured we have ZERO OPTIONS, coz Gundogan is not an option.

We have had a year to prepare for Fernandinho's leaving.

The chairman told us, if the player they want, or suitable alternative isn't available. we'll wait and trust Pep to do his thing.It's worked.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Is it just me or does it feel like we're stockpiling English talent? Reckon there could be some changes to the homegrown rule in the future? It just seems odd that we're spending so much on English players when there could be cheaper foreign players

I hope we are. I don’t think it’s odd at all. Some of the best players right now are English and we should always have a core of English players

 

[mj1991]

I know they are usually 5% ish either way. Its a good rule of thumb but not accurate.

Rodri was a release clause at 62.6 both La liga and City reported it.

Transfermarkt have jack at 105 for some reason, haaland is 67 etc

Again: is an important website making mistakes on purpose? Are you a transfer insider that you know more than them?

 

[bluenova]

I know they are usually 5% ish either way. Its a good rule of thumb but not accurate.

Rodri was a release clause at 62.6 both La liga and City reported it.

Transfermarkt have jack at 105 for some reason, haaland is 67 etc

I guess Haaland may be the original fee that everyone was quoting - it was only when City had agreed that the lower figure came out.

There must also be issues with Euro/£ exchanges on the site, unless it works everything based on the exchange rate at the time of the transfer.

 

[DeBlueLou]

50-60M£ LOL

More than Rodri :)))

Meh, just go. Not my money.

 

[richards30]

Meh, just go. Not my money.

I agree, especially if pep thinks he can do something with Phillips and he’s the one he wants?

 

[Retro_Citizens]

Rodri came for €62.70M=£54M.

 

[bluenova]

Again: is an important website making mistakes on purpose? Are you a transfer insider that you know more than them?

I mean I don't know. But in other news I've just started a tin-foil hat business - 10% off with the code LIVERPOOL10


In more serious news. As I said, it's updated by volunteers, and transfer fees are often reported incorrectly in the media, so there is always likely to be some dispute. If you think the owner is biased against Man City, or the Premier League, then I doubt it - it's owned by a huge German media company - and before you ask, they don't own Der Spiega ;)

I guess it could well be that the lead contributor for the English league is a fan of another team who prefers to take the top reported transfers for some teams and not others. I suspect that there are enough people working on the site for this to be picked up, but I doubt it's a conspiracy - although Jeremy Corbyn's fans have been proved right about YouGov today, so as the quote goes, just because you're paranoid it doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

 

[bumbleblue]

Any news on his injury?

 

[Gaz (FMwkdsoul)]

Rodri came for €62.70M=£54M.

€70m in the report/statements from La Liga, Madrid and our accounts for 2019.

£62m. record signing at the time.

 

[Uptop]

Im pretty sure Transfermarkt seem to have the wrong fees for UK clubs due to not locking in conversion rates between currencies at the time of the sale.

KdB is listed as a £68.4m transfer when we know he cost around £54m addons up to £58, Sterling listed at £57.3m when he cost around £49 etc, this is because I assume they have their fees stored as euros in their database but convert fees to £ based on current exchange rates, not what was paid at the time.

 

[DeBlueLou]

Any news on his injury?

Dead leg. Perhaps not playing the last game of NL but he should be totally fine in a day or so.

 

[wolviedinho]

If the mood on here is anything to go on then Phillips has an uphill battle from the start.

£60m seems a tad high. I know it’s not our money but at £35m he seemed a steal for a good deputy to Rodri. I have not checked his injury record so not sure if this is a concern or not.

 

[blueparrot]

If the mood on here is anything to go on the. Phillips has an uphill battle from the start.

£60m seems a tad high. I know it’s not our money but at £35m he seemed a steal for a good deputy to Rodri. I have not checked his injury record so not sure if this is a concern or not.

One thing I've learnt over the years is that the mood in bluemoon tranfer threads rarely reflects the mood of fans at games at the start of the season. Think most fans wait and see.