The Conservative Party

Bigga said:
Apologies, Gabriel, for hijacking your post, but it explains what I said in another thread; that the leap between the Cons and the current Labour Party is not very far at all.

Even taking into account that the threat of of defection is there, the fact that there's a threat of a step across the aisle would be a thought process unthinkable under the last leadership and it says a lot.

Thanks Gabriel for allowing me the example.
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Hijack away!

We saw Chris Wakeford cross the floor in January (Conservative to Labour) but before that we have to go back to Quentin Davies jumping from blue to red in 2007. It's really not that common and could be more an empty threat. Indeed, it's even rarer heading in the other direction, with only one example (Reg Prentice in 1977) since the 1940s. Far more common for the disgruntled to sit as independents. Were the parties really that close, then we could even imagine Labour MPs countenancing crossing, yet under the present Conservative leadership that is even more unimaginable.

I see them both as rather broad churches so a degree of individual similarity here and there is to be expected.
 
DontLookBackInAnger said:
The irony is that that would likely strengthen Johnson's position, 6 less votes to vote him out as leader(as I assume they won't be BJ supporters!)
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That also assumes that all 211 who did back him have not had second thoughts after last Thursday's humiliation.

I don't suspect it will happen, but defections are always embarrassing for a Government, and if the defectors left in dribs and drabs, rather than en masse, then that would have the effect of keeping the focus on him and his leadership for months.
 
Both Labour and the Tories are quite broad coalitions. They have to be to have a hope of getting into power under the antique FPTP voting system. They have to try to be all things to all men.

This is why there is continual internal discord in both parties - though the Tories are usually quite good at hiding theirs. It is also why both parties gain a reputation for being dishonest liars and con artists. They sort of have to be, because neither has a truly coherent philosophy across the piece.
 
bluethrunthru said:
So - is he still leading the way on Ukraine?

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I’ve put us up to take one of those families. Council got in touch, explained the situation etc so there is some proactive action happening. I appreciate you wanted to score some political points there mate but just wanted to say they aren’t sleeping in shop doorways and, as a country, councils are trying to sort it. Reasons are mostly location doesn’t work or people volunteered to house them for, let’s say, questionable reasons.

The government should have done way more in supporting the process of matching volunteers with refugees of that there is no doubt. It’s been a shambles, no other way to describe it.
 
MCFC1993 said:



Absolute danger to women, anyone that holds these views shouldn't be an MP in this country.
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Disagree. A woman cannot abort after 24 weeks without exceptional reasons - the reason is that at that point the unborn child has a reasonable chance of survival outside the womb. At some point someones right to life must trump someone’s right to put them in harm.
 
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