Frenkie de Jong

Couldn’t Barca effectively force FdJ out by leaving him on the bench or not picking him for games. If he wants to keep playing for his home country then he needs to play not left out nine the cold.
They could leave him out for some games and harm his prospects no doubt. They can't leave him out permanently with no intention of playing him or as some sometimes suggest making a player train on his own or with the younger players. That would likely constitute breach of contract by the club. The player could have the contract terminated but also be able to claim damages.
 
What are his options?

I agree with everybody else, he shouldn’t *have to* take a pay cut but Barca can’t keep him on the wages he’s on. It’s pretty simple and pretty obvious that if he wants to stay there, he’ll have to reduce his wage.

It’s not about being on a high horse or anything like that, it’s about the club not being able to afford to pay him.

If he doesn’t want to leave, he needs to (whether rightly or wrongly) come to some sort of compromise or he’ll be shipped off.

Fine, shipped off but he doesn’t then want to go to the rags. So what does he do? Hold out for another club? Stay at Barca? Go to the rags? The first isn’t a guarantee and the other two are lessers of two evils.

Be interesting to see how it pans out.
There are 2 options. They pay him what they agreed too contractually or they sell him if a deal can be reached between all parties.
 
What are his options?

I agree with everybody else, he shouldn’t *have to* take a pay cut but Barca can’t keep him on the wages he’s on. It’s pretty simple and pretty obvious that if he wants to stay there, he’ll have to reduce his wage.

It’s not about being on a high horse or anything like that, it’s about the club not being able to afford to pay him.

If he doesn’t want to leave, he needs to (whether rightly or wrongly) come to some sort of compromise or he’ll be shipped off.

Fine, shipped off but he doesn’t then want to go to the rags. So what does he do? Hold out for another club? Stay at Barca? Go to the rags? The first isn’t a guarantee and the other two are lessers of two evils.

Be interesting to see how it pans out.

I respect your feelings on the topic but he not only ”shouldn’t” have to take a pay cut - he really doesn’t have to either.

Just like when you or I enter into a contract to pay an agreed amount for an agreed period (mortgage, car hp, phone contract etc.) if we were to turn around and tell them that we can’t afford to pay (so we’ll pay them less) then we’d be in breach of a contractual obligation and they would enforce the agreement through the courts.
 
They could leave him out for some games and harm his prospects no doubt. They can't leave him out permanently with no intention of playing him or as some sometimes suggest making a player train on his own or with the younger players. That would likely constitute breach of contract by the club. The player could have the contract terminated but also be able to claim damages.
Didnt Barca try something similar with Umtini when they wanted him gone last summer.
 
I respect your feelings on the topic but he not only ”shouldn’t” have to take a pay cut - he really doesn’t have to either.

Just like when you or I enter into a contract to pay an agreed amount for an agreed period (mortgage, car hp, phone contract etc.) if we were to turn around and tell them that we can’t afford to pay (so we’ll pay them less) then we’d be in breach of a contractual obligation and they would enforce the agreement through the courts.

Yeah I might not be explaining myself properly - or I might not even be clear in my point - but it seems like his employer is saying they can’t afford to keep him and have found somewhere who can.

Not up to him to definitely accept, admittedly, but I can’t imagine he’s only staying there because of the money given the rags have a history of throwing money at players who they’re desperate for.
 
Yeah I might not be explaining myself properly - or I might not even be clear in my point - but it seems like his employer is saying they can’t afford to keep him and have found somewhere who can.
But the 'somewhere' who can are arguably in a worse state than his current club. Why would he want to move?
 
Yeah I might not be explaining myself properly - or I might not even be clear in my point - but it seems like his employer is saying they can’t afford to keep him and have found somewhere who can.

Not up to him to definitely accept, admittedly, but I can’t imagine he’s only staying there because of the money given the rags have a history of throwing money at players who they’re desperate for.
He wants ucl football so even with the state that Barca are in, he's has a better chance staying & getting his contractual wages than going to the rags. If Barca really wanted him out they would be offering him around for €40m but they want their cake & to eat it, hoping the rags pay €70m at the same time as wanting him to reduce his wages.
 
UEFA really should be intervening in the Barca situation. The club is insolvent and unable to meet its liabilities under the contracts it has entered into with its employees. It is unacceptable on every level and the authorities should, at the very least, insist that no further signings are made until all deferred payments under existing contracts are made.
 
UEFA really should be intervening in the Barca situation. The club is insolvent and unable to meet its liabilities under the contracts it has entered into with its employees. It is unacceptable on every level and the authorities should, at the very least, insist that no further signings are made until all deferred payments under existing contracts are made.

You have a point and why they took the 25 year tv future revenue because they HAD to make payments it players they bought and why we got our first instalment’s of Ferran fee a few days ago if they hadn’t of paid it that’s a breach of ffp..
 
UEFA really should be intervening in the Barca situation. The club is insolvent and unable to meet its liabilities under the contracts it has entered into with its employees. It is unacceptable on every level and the authorities should, at the very least, insist that no further signings are made until all deferred payments under existing contracts are made.
Unacceptable to who? Not to the players who have agreed to defer payments, so not sure how UEFA would get involved
 
UEFA really should be intervening in the Barca situation. The club is insolvent and unable to meet its liabilities under the contracts it has entered into with its employees. It is unacceptable on every level and the authorities should, at the very least, insist that no further signings are made until all deferred payments under existing contracts are made.
I think City PSG or both should complain about them, UEFA seem very big on investigating complaints.
 
Unacceptable to who? Not to the players who have agreed to defer payments, so not sure how UEFA would get involved

Because that is an informal insolvency procedure. At the very least, it's a red flag that the club is in very serious financial difficulty (which is obvious anyway).

If the regulator doesn't intervene in that situation, what would actually motivate them to get off their arses ? (rhetorical question, I think we know the answer to that)
 
Because that is an informal insolvency procedure. At the very least, it's a red flag that the club is in very serious financial difficulty (which is obvious anyway).

If the regulator doesn't intervene in that situation, what would actually motivate them to get off their arses ? (rhetorical question, I think we know the answer to that)
I think the only thing they can intervene in though, is an actual breach of their rules. If agreed payments are being met currently and they've not yet breached FFP, there's nothing to call them out on despite the potential 'red flag'. We've said since the introduction of FFP that it wouldn't stop a club from going into administration
 
You have a point and why they took the 25 year tv future revenue because they HAD to make payments it players they bought and why we got our first instalment’s of Ferran fee a few days ago if they hadn’t of paid it that’s a breach of ffp..
Spot on. I could be mistaken but I'm sure UEFA have banned clubs from Europe in the past for failing to pay outstanding transfer fees to other clubs. It's an aspect of FFP that City fans rarely discuss or consider, or may even be unaware of, as under our current ownership it's inconceivable that we would ever get ourselves into such a situation but UEFA do take a very dim view of it - I'd actually say they take an even dimmer view than clubs failing the break-even part of FFP - hence why bans have been handed out. Whether these new financial rules still include this I don't know, but I'm guessing they will.
 
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Very weird situation this, player wants to stay at the club but the club can no longer afford him

absolutely disgraceful what Barcelona are doing across the board this summer

Where Is the investigation, trying to force players to lower their salaries but then tapping all and sundry up via their media mouthpieces

whats their current FFP status, they must be sailing close to the wind with accumulated losses , or are the writing it all off as COVID impact
 

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