Keir Starmer

BobKowalski said:
The relationship with the EU is a huge headache for the UK.

Starmers ‘plan’ to make Brexit work requires some degree of alignment with the EU. Any easing of non-tariff trade barriers and restrictions requires alignment and that will have the Tory press screaming about selling out and surrendering.

Any attempt to join the Single Market and/or Customs Union will be resisted by the EU, because we will require special exemptions and that boat sailed a long time ago; and why admit a country that will keep threatening to withdraw from the SM/CU unless we get what we want and then withdraw anyway? No one is forgetting the last decade or so and no one in Europe is rushing to repeat it.

Rejoining is out because the EU isn’t going to vote to let us back in because there is nothing in it for them.

What the UK public wants is for these issues to go away. Unfortunately all options will require endless and tedious negotiations with the EU which means the European issue will never go away. The price for banging on endlessly about the EU, and then leaving, is having to bang on about the EU until the end of time with the volume turned up to eleven.
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In fairness I never said it wasn’t a headache for the U.K. it’s a Starmer Labour thread so the post was about how they are trying to take a position that will not harm their election chances. Unfortunately I don’t think they can ‘win’ with any strategy on this specific problem. They need to gain in other areas mainly by allowing the Tories to continual fuck up.

I think their stance will give the Lib Dem’s a bigger share of the vote and gain more seats in Parliament. I’m hoping it’s enough to prevent the Tories and Labour winning outright. While a Labour coalition isn’t exactly a riveting proposition it’s probably the best we can hope for.

I agree with you that the European issue won’t go away for a long time though. Some of you will be well occupied for many a year:-)
 
Saddleworth2 said:
He is in effect perpetuating what has been Johnson’s trick. Telling the electorate that we can ‘have our cake and eat it’. Telling lies to curry favour. Instead of showing leadership and persuading with evidence. He is no better than them. A liar and a coward. Wait until he tries to explain how to fix the NI problem with someone a little more probing than Peston and persuades the electorate why they should give a shit about it. He won’t. Fucking coward.
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The Northern Ireland issue can only be rectified by a border or NI leaving the U.K.
 
I think I've asked before but not sure if it was answered. Why are we missing the Sir from the thread title?
 
hilts said:
Not really brexit has to be played out.
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I think Starmer has to frame the argument to show what we had and gave up - what is likely to be the price of returning now - join the Euro/FoM etc etc - which is unacceptable to the British people so yes we play Brexit out to the very end then you look where we are and ask does even joining the Euro ( whatever state that is in at that time ) and accepting other conditions look better than where we are even if its not where we once were - so we were at A but left - B is on offer less than we had before - we are at C whatever that looks like - A is off the table but is B better than C ? Thats for Starmer or more likely a future PM to pose
 
Vic said:
Even though it's good for their business (taking our business) I'm not sure EU countries want the red tape for trade that we've signed us and them up to by leaving.

SM requires freedom of movement (much harder for the Brexiteers to accept, even if all that's happened is fewer immigrants from the EU and more from Asia). CU doesn't have FoM but helps move goods (and solves NI?). Why rule it out?
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I was going to reply at length and then everyone started resigning, so I figured what’s the bleeding point :)

I just can’t see what’s in for the EU, it’s not as if the UK imposes any border or custom checks and as Green says in the article below - why would they want the drama as so graphically demonstrated by today’s events?

‘Welcome to our national pastime of knowing full well the United Kingdom should rejoin the Single Market, but all pretending otherwise.’

davidallengreen.com

Our new national pastime is pretending that Single Market membership is not a good idea

5th July 2022 We have a new national pastime in the United Kingdom, to complement complaining about the weather. That pastime is pretending that the United Kingdom should not rejoin the Single Mark…
davidallengreen.com
 
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