The Conservative Party

Johnny Mars Bar said:
He won because the country was forced to choose between one blinked idiot in Corbyn and another blinkered idiot in Johnson. They saw Johnson as the lesser of two evils, rightly or wrongly.

I would like to think that while he is seen as being a bit "boring", your average voter is intelligent enough to recognise Starmer is at least a grownup.

A moderate Labour / Lim Dem coalition would be my desired outcome of an election.
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I kinda agree with your first point. However Johnson especially before the last election was popular with lots of voters. You can’t deny he wasn’t a part of their landslide

I don’t see the appeal in Labour or starmer. I think Labour are a poor opposition who should be winning any polling or election, but they aren’t
 
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Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
The situation they are in is ridiculous. They won one of the largest majorities in decades, have an incredibly weak opposition and still manage to implode.

I know Johnson is unpopular, but he is still a huge reason why they won the last election. I don’t think they will win without him.

I’d like the Lib Dems to win if an election is forced, but that’s fantasy land
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The Lib Dem Manifesto is the most rational of them all. But we can only dream.
 
My local MP was housing minister (not sure he's done anything of note) and he resigned today.
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
He won because the country was forced to choose between one blinked idiot in Corbyn and another blinkered idiot in Johnson. They saw Johnson as the lesser of two evils, rightly or wrongly.

I would like to think that while he is seen as being a bit "boring", your average voter is intelligent enough to recognise Starmer is at least a grownup.

A moderate Labour / Lim Dem coalition would be my desired outcome of an election.
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I think a lot was to do with him "getting Brexit done", whereas Corbyn sat on the fence (as opposed to 2017 when he campaigned on the lines of getting it done and got a lot closer to May than he did Johnson). The public were sick of the impasse over Brexit and he practically got in on that ticket alone IMO.

It might sound mad but even some Remainers wanted Brexit sorted. My boss is a pretty staunch Remainer and had gotten to the stage where he wanted it done. He's also a Tory so naturally voted for Johnson. Yet I voted for Brexit and had gotten to the stage where I didn't want it done, and besides Brexit I wasn't going to vote for Johnson in a million years, especially after he prorogued parliament. I couldn't stand Corbyn either and there was nothing about Swinson that appealed to me so I walked into the polling station and scrawled "NONE" across my ballot paper!

This time round I'll be happy to give Starmer my vote.
 
supercity88 said:
I'm not sure Starmer has done enough to win an election still though. He should be seen as the PM in waiting by this point, but there's still so many more questions than answers about Labour policy. The Lib Dems could very well win huge numbers just because people aren't willing to shift to Labour but also wont vote Conservative again. We could end up with the coalition you desire, which I'd also like to see.
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M18CTID said:
I think a lot was to do with him "getting Brexit done", whereas Corbyn sat on the fence (as opposed to 2017 when he campaigned on the lines of getting it done and got a lot closer to May than he did Johnson). The public were sick of the impasse over Brexit and he practically got in on that ticket alone IMO.

It might sound mad but even some Remainers wanted Brexit sorted. My boss is a pretty staunch Remainer and had gotten to the stage where he wanted it done. He's also a Tory so naturally voted for Johnson. Yet I voted for Brexit and had gotten to the stage where I didn't want it done, and besides Brexit I wasn't going to vote for Johnson in a million years, especially after he prorogued parliament. I couldn't stand Corbyn either and there was nothing about Swinson that appealed to me so I walked into the polling station and scrawled "NONE" across my ballot paper!

This time round I'll be happy to give Starmer my vote.
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I agree. The general public was fed up with brexit and wanted it sorted out. I think brexit was a huge factor in why the tories won. Any party that restarts the brexit debate will lose in my opinion. Let’s move on from it now.
 
Blue Maverick said:
He chose Angela Rayner mate she’s horrible, I could tell you some stories of how self important she thinks she is. Telling his MPs not to go on the picket lines they are Labour for fucks sake.
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I thought the party members voted for Angela?
You can take the girl out of Ashton...
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
The situation a year ago was completely different and will be next year as well. Not sure how much you can rely on a model like that - guesswork.

Can’t see Labour winning that amount of seats and Lib Dems winning so little.
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That's all a poll is - a snapshot in time - but it says that right now, people have had enough.
 
Gabriel said:
Can easily see how Johnson would go over Parliament and appeal to the English electorate; he really does believe he’s fulfilling some greater calling. Thankfully, enough people are starting to see that danger and will thwart it.
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Can you imagine the candidate selection meetings if it came up in this week?
 
May be worth bearing in mind that Javid - like the appalling Republican Paul Ryan - is an unabashed admirer of Ayn Rand. But Rand's philosophy of objectivism has been utterly triturated, shown to be not only demonstrably incoherent but also empirically false.

No wonder the formidable philosopher and theologian John Milbank was moved to observe that, "It is extraordinarily disturbing that any mainstream politician should express any admiration for Ayn Rand. We should be concerned that someone like Sajid Javid can now hold high office within the United Kingdom.

Rand promoted a cult of amoral selfishness and ruthlessness that is certainly not conservative in any traditional sense – certainly not Burkean, but quite emphatically Nietzschean. The cult of Ayn Rand represents exactly the point where neoliberalism tends to veer towards a particular niche corner of the Far-Right. For there is little in her outlook that would necessarily favour democracy.”
 
Gabriel said:
Can easily see how Johnson would go over Parliament and appeal to the English electorate; he really does believe he’s fulfilling some greater calling. Thankfully, enough people are starting to see that danger and will thwart it.
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Happy to be corrected, but a Prime Minister can call a snap election at any time, now that the fixed term parliament act has gone.

But I can't see how that helps him.
 
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