10 | Jack Grealish - 2022/23 Performances

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Lauz9888 said:
There were multiple contributing factors to that low output last year, many of which have now been resolved.

I hope and believe he'll get more goals and assists this season.

But he's never been a big goalscorer. Never hit double figures for league goals in a single season.

So either we spent £100m in the belief that we could change him to be a big goalscorer and that would somehow be easier or better than just bringing in a someone with a goalscoring track record who we could almost certainly get for less than £100m.

Or we bought him for another reason, because there's something he does that is rare and special and unteachable, something that Pep needs for how he wants this side to play over the next few years.

We bought him on the basis of what he did at Villa, and goalscoring was a very small part of that.
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Time will tell and I hope he proves me wrong but one thing is certain he has to produce and do it now, the time for waiting is over.
 
Lauz9888 said:
There were multiple contributing factors to that low output last year, many of which have now been resolved.

I hope and believe he'll get more goals and assists this season.

But he's never been a big goalscorer. Never hit double figures for league goals in a single season.

So either we spent £100m in the belief that we could change him to be a big goalscorer and that would somehow be easier or better than just bringing in a someone with a goalscoring track record who we could almost certainly get for less than £100m.

Or we bought him for another reason, because there's something he does that is rare and special and unteachable, something that Pep needs for how he wants this side to play over the next few years.

We bought him on the basis of what he did at Villa, and goalscoring was a very small part of that.
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And what pray tell would that be?
 
toffee balls said:
He has one job left to keep his career here on track and that is to not be our fall guy now Raheem as been moved on.

He is favourite , followed closey by Rihad or Joao.
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Okay, but there's a massive difference between Raheem being the fall guy last season and Grealish being the fall guy this season. Raheem had very good goal and assist numbers and the criticism of him was over the top. Grealish doesn't, and for some reason he's the only person who's above Pep's "you only play if you deserve to play" policy.

People act like Raheem left because he didn't want to fight for his minutes, but if we're being fair to him, even when he or Foden deserved the minutes they were often given to Jack, who was doing next to nothing. Why stay and sit on the bench to watch someone nowhere near as good playing instead of you?
 
Kamaro011 said:
Simply not good enough to justify his price tag, that's what you mean like you always do to bring as part of his criticism.
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Even if his price tag was £25m those stats aren't good enough to justify it. I find it nearly inconceivable that Palmer, given the exact same minutes as Grealish last season, wouldn't have managed better than six goal contributions.

It's not Jack's fault, he seems like a good person and a hard worker, but one of the key fundamentals of Guardiola's philosophy- you only play if you deserve to play- has gone out of the window because of Jack's price tag.
 
MarsLlama said:
Okay, but there's a massive difference between Raheem being the fall guy last season and Grealish being the fall guy this season. Raheem had very good goal and assist numbers and the criticism of him was over the top. Grealish doesn't, and for some reason he's the only person who's above Pep's "you only play if you deserve to play" policy.

People act like Raheem left because he didn't want to fight for his minutes, but if we're being fair to him, even when he or Foden deserved the minutes they were often given to Jack, who was doing next to nothing. Why stay and sit on the bench to watch someone nowhere near as good playing instead of you?
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It is quite strange so far with him playing on the left in our side. We’ve got a bloke on the other side who doesn’t really drive at anyone but can keep the ball all day and weighs in with goals. No doubting Grealish is a fantastic footballer but having 2 on either flank basically doing the same thing leaves us very narrow.
 
Amazing that his previous two performances in preseason friendlies, where it’s widely acknowledged he played well saw about 6 pages added to this thread, yet a fairly innocuous game on Saturday (along with several others) sees the same half dozen bores from last season pile in to add about 20 pages of repetitive shite.

We get it. You don’t rate him, you think he’s a waste of money and it’s his fault we haven’t got a left back.
Look forward to seeing you all fuck off from the thread when the real action starts next week and he starts the season as he ended the last one, with much improved performances that help the team win games.
 
Phil1 said:
Amazing that his previous two performances in preseason friendlies, where it’s widely acknowledged he played well saw about 6 pages added to this thread, yet a fairly innocuous game on Saturday (along with several others) sees the same half dozen bores from last season pile in to add about 20 pages of repetitive shite.

We get it. You don’t rate him, you think he’s a waste of money and it’s his fault we haven’t got a left back.
Look forward to seeing you all fuck off from the thread when the real action starts next week and he starts the season as he ended the last one, with much improved performances that help the team win games.
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I don't think he played well against America. Did well against Bayern.

He might start the season well, until then it's all hypothetical. Last season he got away with "well he might be good in the future". This year there are no more excuses. As things stand, the fact that he's still here and Jesus/Sterling are gone is a big problem. The only way that changes is if he starts to deliver.
 
MarsLlama said:
I don't think he played well against America. Did well against Bayern.

He might start the season well, until then it's all hypothetical. Last season he got away with "well he might be good in the future". This year there are no more excuses. As things stand, the fact that he's still here and Jesus/Sterling are gone is a big problem. The only way that changes is if he starts to deliver.
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He finished last season with much improved performances, you could see he was finally getting to grips with the system and what was expected from him.
So really that’s all we should be going off, not friendlies, wherever he was good or bad.
He certainly doesn’t warrant the same people posting the same thing over the last 25 pages when the real football hasn’t even begun.
If he starts at West Ham and has a shocker, fill your boots. Until then it’s plain to see he will never win some over because they just don’t like him, and tbh, I’d rather just stick those types of bores on ignore. They say nothing new or revealing, they may as well copy and paste their shite and just add it once a week as that’s how it reads.
 
Phil1 said:
He finished last season with much improved performances, you could see he was finally getting to grips with the system and what was expected from him.
So really that’s all we should be going off, not friendlies, wherever he was good or bad.
He certainly doesn’t warrant the same people posting the same thing over the last 25 pages when the real football hasn’t even begun.
If he starts at West Ham and has a shocker, fill your boots. Until then it’s plain to see he will never win some over because they just don’t like him, and tbh, I’d rather just stick those types of bores on ignore. They say nothing new or revealing, they may as well copy and paste their shite and just add it once a week as that’s how it reads.
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His average games seem to get overblown and his good games seem to get ignored. I already fear that we'll never be able to have a proper discussion about his strengths and weaknesses, about what he brings to the team, and what he can improve.
 
Brightwell Bros. said:
His average games seem to get overblown and his good games seem to get ignored. I already fear that we'll never be able to have a proper discussion about his strengths and weaknesses, about what he brings to the team, and what he can improve.
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Don’t dusagree, the reason you’ll never be able to have those discussions is because the same half dozen who come on this page to tell us all about his weaknesses are nowhere to be seen after a good game or even willing to acknowledge his strengths.
 
He offered absolutely nothing against Liverpool on Saturday. He got the ball, moved forward, went sideways or backwards then passed the ball, usually backwards. The same as the majority of last season when he played. Mahrez on the other wing wasn't much better but at least he created a little and had a couple of shots. Whenever they both play together we are slow and ponderous. We need speed, quick thinking and movement. As soon as Foden and Alvarez came on things improved considerably. Jack just might not be a fit for us and our system, sometimes that happens. I've no doubt he could go back to Villa and look great again. More responsibility, the main man and a system they don't mind if he loses the ball. Time will give us the answers.
 
Bet the press are gutted he won the premier league with City else the “flop” narrative would be in full flow. I think he will get better and hope he learns how to close down opponents more around our box, Still plenty to work with though.
 
Phil1 said:
He finished last season with much improved performances, you could see he was finally getting to grips with the system and what was expected from him.
So really that’s all we should be going off, not friendlies, wherever he was good or bad.
He certainly doesn’t warrant the same people posting the same thing over the last 25 pages when the real football hasn’t even begun.
If he starts at West Ham and has a shocker, fill your boots. Until then it’s plain to see he will never win some over because they just don’t like him, and tbh, I’d rather just stick those types of bores on ignore. They say nothing new or revealing, they may as well copy and paste their shite and just add it once a week as that’s how it reads.
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I think we (including me) really wanted to believe he finished season much improved, but in hindsight I don't think he did. Still didn't get much at all in the way of actual contribution despite looking less nervous.
 
MarsLlama said:
I think we (including me) really wanted to believe he finished season much improved, but in hindsight I don't think he did. Still didn't get much at all in the way of actual contribution despite looking less nervous.
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Goal against West Ham to get us back in the game was a decent contribution.
 
MarsLlama said:
I think we (including me) really wanted to believe he finished season much improved, but in hindsight I don't think he did. Still didn't get much at all in the way of actual contribution despite looking less nervous.
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At the start of the season he did very well, great start but then went downhill, a couple of very good performances ( rags) but back to average as the season went on.
 
Kamaro011 said:
Simply not good enough to justify his price tag, that's what you mean like you always do to bring as part of his criticism.

I can guarantee you, until the end of his career in city is over he will never satisfy your specific expetation on him because his price tag will never and i mean ever to justify it.

And the most damning part?, Jack doesn't care. The only thing he cares about is to safisfy his manager demand on him to keep his place on team and for the most part Pep is happy on his contribution for the team and that's already enough for him.
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Not really. Pep benched him for practically the whole title run in and the later stages of the CL.
He remained on the bench when we needed a creative spark the most. Pep opting for Zinchenko, Sterling and Gundogan in the final game.

So far, irrelevant of price tag, he’s not been good enough. No where near it. This season he really needs to up everything he’s got.

The only defence he has, is other players have needed time to adapt. He’s now had that period, so fans are now entitled to expect him to start seriously delivering.

He was nowhere near good enough last season, now that’s just my option, but the fact that he basically played zero part at the end of season in the big games would indicate Pep wasn’t happy.
 
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