Sergio Gomez | Joins City on a four year deal

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ChicagoBlue said:
My feeling is that to be the best club team in the world, you cannot be weak in the player development/transfer market.

If JWE is good enough, he’ll make it at City. If not, he’ll make it where his level earns him a place. There is no place for sentimentality in football, until you get to the point of celebrating a long career.

I wish him nothing but the best for his career, and hope he’s good enough to have it at City, because he looks like he could be a 10 year guy.

However, no matter who you are, you need competition and cover in case of injury.

With Walker, Cancelo, JWE & Gomez, that could work, especially with Ake and Laporte as other options!
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Ahh yes I know all that. But what I was saying that I get a feeling of anxiety for the youth that I don't like. I imagine a Sancho scenario. One of my foibles. :)
 
JewelZee said:
I'm convinced there are more Rag and Dipper double agents posing as City fans on this forum than any of us know.
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The standard response to a post that somebody doesn’t agree with. So boring. Show us your York City away ticket stub………
 
Bill Walker said:
Ahh yes I know all that. But what I was saying that I get a feeling of anxiety for the youth that I don't like. I imagine a Sancho scenario. One of my foibles. :)
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Why don’t you like the youth? ;-)

I don’t disagree, but it is a small time, local club, sentiment reminiscent of the 60s & 70s. We are on a different plane these days, with the entire globe as our catchment area. That makes it hard for “home grown talent,” but if they’re good enough, they’ll play, as we have seen with others.
 
I feel that “home grown talent “ have a real struggle to make it at City with Pep as manager. Apart from Phil Foden it’s not exactly been a conveyer belt of continuous Academy talent forcing themselves into the first team.
Nothing annoys me more than bringing a “kid” on for about 2 minutes before the end of a match. Progression seems to be a few minutes in the early rounds of the Cup competitions - loan deal - and bye bye.
I would love our Academy players to be given more opportunities but I can’t see Pep changing his stance. How many of our current players out on loan can you see being recalled??
Always find it a bit embarrassing the growing number of players who are described as “ex-Manchester City” and never played a first team match for us.
 
Cotontoquinn said:
I feel that “home grown talent “ have a real struggle to make it at City with Pep as manager. Apart from Phil Foden it’s not exactly been a conveyer belt of continuous Academy talent forcing themselves into the first team.
Nothing annoys me more than bringing a “kid” on for about 2 minutes before the end of a match. Progression seems to be a few minutes in the early rounds of the Cup competitions - loan deal - and bye bye.
I would love our Academy players to be given more opportunities but I can’t see Pep changing his stance. How many of our current players out on loan can you see being recalled??
Always find it a bit embarrassing the growing number of players who are described as “ex-Manchester City” and never played a first team match for us.
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What home grown talent has gone on to dominate at a similar level to the talent generally here?
 
Dax777 said:
What home grown talent has gone on to dominate at a similar level to the talent generally here?
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I’m talking about opportunity. We have an incredibly successful Academy and have produced a number of very talented players - most of whom have been moved on to other clubs.
Chelsea have also been a conveyer belt of talent - again many for other clubs. The top clubs always seem to prefer to ‘buy in‘ players.
I just find it disappointing that the opportunities for Academy players at EPL clubs are so limited.
This documentary on C4 - “Football Dreams: The Academy” about Crystal Palace should be a very interesting watch.
 
Cotontoquinn said:
I feel that “home grown talent “ have a real struggle to make it at City with Pep as manager. Apart from Phil Foden it’s not exactly been a conveyer belt of continuous Academy talent forcing themselves into the first team.
Nothing annoys me more than bringing a “kid” on for about 2 minutes before the end of a match. Progression seems to be a few minutes in the early rounds of the Cup competitions - loan deal - and bye bye.
I would love our Academy players to be given more opportunities but I can’t see Pep changing his stance. How many of our current players out on loan can you see being recalled??
Always find it a bit embarrassing the growing number of players who are described as “ex-Manchester City” and never played a first team match for us.
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What home grown talent has gone on to dominate somewhere comparable to City?
 
Cotontoquinn said:
I’m talking about opportunity. We have an incredibly successful Academy and have produced a number of very talented players - most of whom have been moved on to other clubs.
Chelsea have also been a conveyer belt of talent - again many for other clubs. The top clubs always seem to prefer to ‘buy in‘ players.
I just find it disappointing that the opportunities for Academy players at EPL clubs are so limited.
This documentary on C4 - “Football Dreams: The Academy” about Crystal Palace should be a very interesting watch.
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I can understand where you’re coming from mate as I love to see young talent coming through (regardless of club tbh), but isn’t that how it’s always worked at elite club level ?
For example, how many youth players have come through say Real Madrids academy and also had long and established careers and playing time there, offhand I can only think of Casillas and Guti ?
Either way, I can’t imagine there’s a truckload ?
 
Bill Walker said:
No need to come over all twatish mate. I was only asking a question, hoping to get some idea from people who know more than me.
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Fine, I get that you wanted to know about Gomez. I guess I took you for a doom and gloomer because you were saying his price tag meant he couldn't actually be any good. My bad if you took offense.
 
Dirty Harry said:
I can understand where you’re coming from mate as I love to see young talent coming through (regardless of club tbh), but isn’t that how it’s always worked at elite club level ?
For example, how many youth players have come through say Real Madrids academy and also had long and established careers and playing time there, offhand I can only think of Casillas and Guti ?
Either way, I can’t imagine there’s a truckload ?
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I’m probably biased towards youth coming through at City as I started supporting and watching them from 1984. Our local lads were so often the thing that made you proud.
 
Dax777 said:
What home grown talent has gone on to dominate somewhere comparable to City?
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Decent call, you could maybe say Trippier winning league titles at Atletico
And without winning anything Sancho was much coveted at Dortmund. But not many, tbf, you’re correct
Did one of our Spanish lads win a title as a sub at Milan?
 
Cotontoquinn said:
The standard response to a post that somebody doesn’t agree with. So boring. Show us your York City away ticket stub………
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Its not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing. You're bringing up Mendy when the only thing they have in common is that they play LB. So how about all the other guys we've brought in that good things were said about? If you're looking for a standard response look no further than your own "Mendy" response to the original post.
 
Cotontoquinn said:
I’m probably biased towards youth coming through at City as I started supporting and watching them from 1984. Our local lads were so often the thing that made you proud.
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My feelings too I guess. But we were shit then.

What we have to accept now having an elite manager like Pep, if a young player doesn't look like reaching a certain level within a certain time period then it's thanks and goodbye.

It seems to me that Cole Palmer is going to be used more which is great. Let's hope he makes it.
 
Bill Walker said:
My feelings too I guess. But we were shit then.

What we have to accept now having an elite manager like Pep, if a young player doesn't look like reaching a certain level within a certain time period then it's thanks and goodbye.
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It's also worth mentioning that more often than not, they've made the right decision. Plenty of our youth products have left and gone on to have decent careers, but can you think of any that have left and then reached a standard that would get into our first team regularly? Arguably Sancho before the rags broke him, but that wasn't really the club's decision. Compare us to a team like Chelsea, who are terrible for letting brilliant players leave and then wishing they still had them.
 
So was about to watch a Sergio highlight reel. And in the beginning the guy normally lists 3 players who the player is similar to: for Gomez it was
Borna Sosa, Zinchencko and Raum. Just right there, I know I already like him.

Sosa's crossing, Zin's possession and Taums speed.

Anyway, let me continue my dreaming :)
 
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