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RobMCFC said:
Really? What makes you say that?
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Because this is not about guns, missiles and civilian casualties, horrible as it all is. This is about power politics and the war of ideas.

The responsibility for this war rests squarely on the shoulders of Putin, but Putin is not mad, he's not a little Hitler and he's not suffering some mental of physical breakdown, he has a rationale for this war and a world view that differs from ours, understanding that is where the solution to this catastrophe lies.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Because this is not about guns, missiles and civilian casualties, horrible as it all is. This is about power politics and the war of ideas.

The responsibility for this war rests squarely on the shoulders of Putin, but Putin is not mad, he's not a little Hitler and he's not suffering some mental of physical breakdown, he has a rationale for this war and a world view that differs from ours, understanding that is where the solution to this catastrophe lies.
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I agree with that. Whether he is mad is not really relevant, but I’m sure in his head, he has a plan. However, it’s hard to see how the current war will end with him gaining anything. In fact, if he’s counting on China’s support, he may get a very nasty shock in the next few years if they try to take parts of the East off him.
 
RobMCFC said:
Well I used it as a figure of speech. I believe that Russia did launch missiles from the Black Sea, but it doesn’t really matter what type of projectiles they were, does it?

They are regularly launching missiles/using artillery to wipe out Ukrainian civilians. Correct or not? Or are you saying that this is a fabrication of Western media?
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Here's a question...Do you trust "Western Media" Implicitly?...Jimmy Savile, Hillsborough, Jill Dando, ect or just when it lines up with your beliefs?
 
-dabz- said:
Here's a question...Do you trust "Western Media" Implicitly?...Jimmy Savile, Hillsborough, Jill Dando, ect or just when it lines up with your beliefs?
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No, I usually do my own reading on the subject and what’s happening in Ukraine seems to have been predicted by many commentators that were ignored by the major Western powers. Thankfully they’ve come together quickly and now realise the danger.

How about you? You seem to be suggesting that Western media are making it all up, or are somehow exaggerating events?

Just to be clear: my original statement was that I am aligned with the governments who believe that Russia are in the wrong here, and as another poster suggested, many of us Brits are happy to bear a bit of discomfort if it means our government does the right thing.

Whatever the failings of the BBC, CNN or The Guardian, I’m inclined to believe that they’ll be closer to the truth than Russia Today, the Baghdad Bugle or whatever North Korea publishes.
 
RobMCFC said:
I am aligned with the governments who believe that Russia are in the wrong
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You have absolutely no proof that this is the case...Here's the deal, from experience...
As mad as it sounds, I've met Winnie Mandela... Was part of a Manchester delegation that awarded her a sculpture on behalf of her "struggle" while Nelson was still in prison...Treated her like queen....twenty years later turns out she was a piece of shit...I was duped...Hardest thing i've ever had to admit...some people never admit their mistakes....
 
-dabz- said:
You have absolutely no proof that this is the case...Here's the deal, from experience...
As mad as it sounds, I've met Winnie Mandela... Was part of a Manchester delegation that awarded her a sculpture on behalf of her "struggle" while Nelson was still in prison...Treated her like queen....twenty years later turns out she was a piece of shit...I was duped...Hardest thing i've ever had to admit...some people never admit their mistakes....
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i have 100% proof that I am aligned with Western governments on their stance on Russia. Are you telling me how to think now?
What mistake am I supposed to be admitting?
I don’t KNOW 100% that Western coverage is accurate anymore than you know it isn’t, but it’s an educated guess based on what I’ve read about the Putin regime in BOOKS.

I don’t want to argue with you on this, I was simply stating my position. You made a mistake with Winnie Mandela and it’s got no bearing on the situation we are discussing.

I don’t want to derail the thread any longer so any further discussion is better in the Ukraine thread.
 
RobMCFC said:
i have 100% proof that I am aligned with Western governments on their stance on Russia. Are you telling me how to think now?
What mistake am I supposed to be admitting?
I don’t KNOW 100% that Western coverage is accurate anymore than you know it isn’t, but it’s an educated guess based on what I’ve read about the Putin regime in BOOKS.

I don’t want to argue with you on this, I was simply stating my position. You made a mistake with Winnie Mandela and it’s got no bearing on the situation we are discussing.

I don’t want to derail the thread any longer so any further discussion is better in the Ukraine thread.
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Not one bit of my post was an attack...Just merely an observation of an 57 year old man who has been around a bit..Particularly around the orbit of some big hitters in Mancunian politics from the late seventies till early to mid nineties....My observation is "What's good for the goose" seems to be the motto...I have no reason to suspect it to be any different on a global level..

Nothing is black and white..
 
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inbetween said:
I would of thought that electricity storage on this scale is close to impossible as the wastage will be huge and costs will be similarly very high. It's easy to store gas because you just need a chamber but for electricity you need batteries and lots of them but the life of a battery is only 8-10 years. Batteries also reduce in capacity over their life so your storage capacity effectively reduces over time too, it's not a great way of using what should really be 'free' electricity.

Unfortunately renewables will only ever provide energy on demand because they just don't generate enough electricity. At the moment renewables are used to supplement our main energy source which is burning gas. This isn't going to change until renewables are available 100% of the time but that's impossible with solar and wind. Even with increased capacity, if we turned the entire country over to renewables right now then the lights would go out.

The alternative is as you say to build and invest in nuclear on a huge scale. The only way to carbon zero is to replace gas with nuclear until better technology comes along such as fusion or something. We're then also immune from wholesale gas prices because we wouldn't need to buy gas.

Obviously the green people and NIMBY's won't like it but then the only other alternative is to get used to paying current energy prices whilst also polluting the atmosphere with Co2. That's the price of burning what is now a very expensive and supply restricted commodity.

A second way to cheaper energy is to go back to coal but there's very little chance of selling that!
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Bring on coal, reopen Agecroft pit. Live for the moment.
 
ZebraVicar said:
Bring on coal, reopen Agecroft pit. Live for the moment.
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All ver6 well opening pits but who the fuck is going to work there? Last time I looked Thatcher killed off most of the miners and last time I looked we weren’t letting anyone in the country unless it’s in a fucking dinghy.
 
-dabz- said:
You have absolutely no proof that this is the case...Here's the deal, from experience...
As mad as it sounds, I've met Winnie Mandela... Was part of a Manchester delegation that awarded her a sculpture on behalf of her "struggle" while Nelson was still in prison...Treated her like queen....twenty years later turns out she was a piece of shit...I was duped...Hardest thing i've ever had to admit...some people never admit their mistakes....
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Weird analogy. Winnie Mandela turning out to be a wrong 'un has nothing to do with so-called media brainwashing.
 
blueinsa said:
Forget resignations, they should all be sacked and OFGEM disbanded!

They are nothing but a puppet organisation the energy companies can use to fleece us with.
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When my provider collapsed I was about £300 in debt, despite me constantly telling them to keep my DD at what I wanted, they kept putting it down in one case from £120 to £55, absolutely no way that was right. Turns out a lot of these companies did this to make it look as though were cheap when in fact it was all lies. Now we are all paying for “private” companies, why, there should be an insurance policy put in place to cover this shit, disgraceful and they should all resign.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Because this is not about guns, missiles and civilian casualties, horrible as it all is. This is about power politics and the war of ideas.

The responsibility for this war rests squarely on the shoulders of Putin, but Putin is not mad, he's not a little Hitler and he's not suffering some mental of physical breakdown, he has a rationale for this war and a world view that differs from ours, understanding that is where the solution to this catastrophe lies.
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His world view has so far killed tens of thousands of Ukrainians and tens of thousands of his own troops. I'd understand if this was thousands of miles away but it's not, it's literally on the borders of Europe.

This isn't happening because Putin decided he'd had enough of Ukraine being the aggressor, it's because Russia used force to take a huge chunk of Ukraine 8 years ago and now they're trying to finish the job.

This is indeed about power politics and a war of ideas but it's not a domestic one for Russia, it's a global attack on European/US influence and our way of life. Russia has been trying to destabilise the west for years and controlling resources and military influence in Ukraine is all part of it.

How we could ever turn a blind eye to this is beyond me. Russia has literally threatened to nuke Europe if we got involved so how can we be ignorant? The threat is far more monumental than people realise and it goes beyond the price of gas.
 
inbetween said:
His world view has so far killed tens of thousands of Ukrainians and tens of thousands of his own troops. I'd understand if this was thousands of miles away but it's not, it's literally on the borders of Europe.

This isn't happening because Putin decided he'd had enough of Ukraine being the aggressor, it's because Russia used force to take a huge chunk of Ukraine 8 years ago and now they're trying to finish the job.

This is indeed about power politics and a war of ideas but it's not a domestic one for Russia, it's a global attack on European/US influence and our way of life. Russia has been trying to destabilise the west for years and controlling resources and military influence in Ukraine is all part of it.

How we could ever turn a blind eye to this is beyond me. Russia has literally threatened to nuke Europe if we got involved so how can we be ignorant? The threat is far more monumental than people realise and it goes beyond the price of gas.
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We turn a blind eye to crisis all the time, we turned a blind eye to the Balkans in the 90s until very late in the day, there's no reason why this should be any different. Ukraine only became a country as part of the Soviet Union in the 1920s, prior to that it had existed as a region in various empires. There's no reason why we should suffer for Ukrainian self determination any more than we should suffer for the Kurds in their quest for nationhood, or the Palestinians or any number of other groups we don't give a fuck about.

NATO and the nuclear deterrent will keep Putin away from anything we actually care about, Russia is not an existential threat to us. The West accepts the concept of spheres of influence when it comes to us, we're being hypocritical not accepting it when it comes to Russia and China.
 
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The perfect fumble said:
We turn blind eyes to crisis all the time, we turned a blind eye to the Balkans in the 90s until very late in the day, there's no reason why this should be any different. Ukraine only became a country as part of the Soviet Union in the 1920s, prior to that it had existed as a region in various empires, there's no reason why we should suffer for Ukrainian self determination any more than we should suffer for the Kurds in their quest for nationhood, or the Palestinians or any number of other groups we don't give a fuck about.

NATO and the nuclear deterrent will keep Putin away from anything we actually care about, Russia is not an existential threat to us. The West accepts the concept of spheres of influence when it comes to us, we're just being hypocritical to not accept it when it comes to Russia and China.
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Russia is committing genocide in Europe. That's not OK with me.
 
Kevinblue10 said:
Well you should be happy to pay the inflated energy bills to pay for it...its about sacrifices mate
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I am and that's what I've been saying all along.

I don't know why everybody is getting shirty with me. Go back and read my posts in this thread (and the Ukraine thread) if there is any doubt about where I stand on this issue.
 
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