Gas & Electricity

55yr old teenager said:
Exactly. If people feel that the government are not listening to our concerns, or are not willing to help out in a meaningful way, taking to the streets to protest is the only way for millions of people to get their voices heard, that's what should be done. If this then escalates into riots it's obviously unfortunate. I do think as unpalatable that would be, it might be the only way to get the government to take note and get their fingers out of their arses and do something.
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It won't. This govt is treading water and won't object to getting voted out next time round to let some other gang take the shit for a while
 
There’s something that puzzles me about electricity prices. My electricity supplier provides electricity from 100% renewable sources; they tell me every time I login to look at bills or give a meter reading. If that’s the case, why am I paying the rate for electricity that is tied to the cost of producing electricity from non renewables? We have had levies placed on our bills for years to pay for renewables and now we’ve got them, why are we still paying a price that is tied to non renewable sources?
 
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This is my take on this.
I'm 46 years old I've left school with no gcsesi was classed as thick because I'm dyslexic.
Which I didn't know till I went to college to do joinery.
Anyway I'm from a working class family .
I now have a really gòd job or I think it is as a site manager..and I think I even really good money.
Probably about a60k a year.
My misses earns about 25k a year so in total 85k.
Some people might think that's a lot some might think that's fuck all.
My point is I earn that we don't go mad we have a 3 bed semi etc etc.
But if these bills keep going up we are going to start to feel it.
Why is all the help for people on low income or people on the dole.
I've nothing against anyone who needs help and is genuinely out of work.
But I feel like I'm in the middle of don't need help cos I earn good money and oh fuck him.
I've work really hard to be where I am today but this is getting stupid 3k a year for gas nd electric and its only going to go up.
Will it ever go down again.
I bet not.
Night blues ctid
 

Nothing much changed since the 1930’s we still have people unable to feed there children almost a century of hardship for the poor..
Riots are not the way but even marching on parliament is not possible it’s all fenced off.
 
55yr old teenager said:
taking to the streets to protest is the only way for millions of people to get their voices heard, that's what should be done. If this then escalates into riots it's obviously unfortunate.
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and when the rioters burn your house down, or smash your grandma senseless cos she happens to be in the wrong place, you will still condone the rioters I take it.
 
simon23 said:
Bills will more than double, mortgage...petrol has more than doubled (living in cornwall means usually a lot of drivinf and public transport aint an option)...we pay one of the highest rates for water in the country as well. Nursery fees are £750 a month for starters. Cornwall is one of the most costly places to live in the country yet with one of the lowest rates of pay (if not the lowest)...there is a huge housing crisis down here cause people cannot afford to get on the property ladder....

As I said we will start to struggle if it goes up again in January as expected. I also said I realise that there are people are a lot worse off than we are but where does it stop and what about those people that are worse off.

Your reaction (focus) to my post shows the disconnect between people and why this corrupt government keep getting away with it....not having a go at you it just exemplifies the ease of divide and conquer. My post wasnt really about me and i just used my household income as an example...the post was about the corruption within the system.

Edit....after tax as you are well aware it doesnt even come close to 60k a year either
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You earn 60k because you and your Mrs go out and earn it. Its not given to you for fuck all. You can spend it on flash cars, houses, clothes or whatever the fuck you want because you earn it.
Don’t be made to feel bad about it.
 
Betterdeedthan red said:
This is my take on this.
I'm 46 years old I've left school with no gcsesi was classed as thick because I'm dyslexic.
Which I didn't know till I went to college to do joinery.
Anyway I'm from a working class family .
I now have a really gòd job or I think it is as a site manager..and I think I even really good money.
Probably about a60k a year.
My misses earns about 25k a year so in total 85k.
Some people might think that's a lot some might think that's fuck all.
My point is I earn that we don't go mad we have a 3 bed semi etc etc.
But if these bills keep going up we are going to start to feel it.
Why is all the help for people on low income or people on the dole.
I've nothing against anyone who needs help and is genuinely out of work.
But I feel like I'm in the middle of don't need help cos I earn good money and oh fuck him.
I've work really hard to be where I am today but this is getting stupid 3k a year for gas nd electric and its only going to go up.
Will it ever go down again.
I bet not.
Night blues ctid
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Mate....mate...Don't you know by now that people who work hard, earn good money, save etc. pay for everything ?
Billionaires pay fuck all tax comparatively.

One good thing you have in the UK is state pension, everyone gets it. Even I get a part pension because I worked there for 17 years. At least you will get that.
 
Betterdeedthan red said:
This is my take on this.
I'm 46 years old I've left school with no gcsesi was classed as thick because I'm dyslexic.
Which I didn't know till I went to college to do joinery.
Anyway I'm from a working class family .
I now have a really gòd job or I think it is as a site manager..and I think I even really good money.
Probably about a60k a year.
My misses earns about 25k a year so in total 85k.
Some people might think that's a lot some might think that's fuck all.
My point is I earn that we don't go mad we have a 3 bed semi etc etc.
But if these bills keep going up we are going to start to feel it.
Why is all the help for people on low income or people on the dole.
I've nothing against anyone who needs help and is genuinely out of work.
But I feel like I'm in the middle of don't need help cos I earn good money and oh fuck him.
I've work really hard to be where I am today but this is getting stupid 3k a year for gas nd electric and its only going to go up.
Will it ever go down again.
I bet not.
Night blues ctid
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Mate nobody is going to feel sorry for a family earning 85 grand a year, are you taking the piss ???
 
Ok so the gas prices are going through the roof, I was brought up in the 60,s with no heating as such apart a fire in the front room. We can all get through this together, heat the room and not the house, wrap up indoors with scarf and hat, gloves if needed and don’t give these fuckers your hard earned money oh and toughen up think how shit it was for our grand parents they just got on with it.
 
The increases in the price of gas, in particular, are caused almost entirely by the rise in the wholesale price rather than profiteering. I agree that the energy companies and the distribution network are inherently monopolistic and should therefore be nationalised (just like the water companies and the rail companies). However, if the government did this alone and passed all profits back to consumers as reduced prices, it’d have much less of an impact than most would imagine.

The sanctions against oil and gas producing countries are the single biggest cause of this crisis. It’s all well and good talking about energy security, but even if the government did enact policy (big if) then it would take years for any noticeable relief in prices. Western governments could lift sanctions on Iran and Venezuela tomorrow. That’d go some way to addressing supply shortages, although it might be severely limited if Saudi Arabia follows through on its threat to cut production. Iran and Venezuela combined produce about half as much gas as Russia.

The government could do what France are doing, but it’s really only deferring the problem until later. The French will pay one way or another, but I suppose they’ll at least not freeze this winter.
 
NJ Blue said:
There’s something that puzzles me about electricity prices. My electricity supplier provides electricity from 100% renewable sources; they tell me every time I login to look at bills or give a meter reading. If that’s the case, why am I paying the rate for electricity that is tied to the cost of producing electricity from non renewables? We have had levies placed on our bills for years to pay for renewables and now we’ve got them, why are we still paying a price that is tied to non renewable sources?
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It’s a result of how the market is set up where the unit price is set by the cost of the most expensive part of the energy mix. Seems mad to me that someone can’t come up with a way to reset how the market works to make it an average cost rather than the cost of the most expensive, but I suspect there’s a vested interest in not changing it too much because it would affect profits.
 
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