Keir Starmer

Shaelumstash said:
Mate have you actually watched that video?

Because it plays very much like a smear campaign against liberals!..

Brushes off the "bigotry" of the EDL as if it's a minor footnote, and goes on to suggest the far-right isn't the real enemy, liberals are!

I don't give a flying fuck how many photos you pull out of your arse with him stood next to ethnic minorities.

This is his "very fine people on both sides" moment.

It's a shame because he's done some fine work on the strikes, but he's got no one to blame but himself for his words in that video. Really disappointed in him.
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Both El Shabazz and Dr Rev Martin Luther King Jr. spoke of the real problem being the liberal politician.

With those on the right, we know EXACTLY who they are. It's the ones who offer 'well meaning' platitudes and 'understanding' that are the wolves in sheep's clothing as they play both sides.

You'll earn some day, should you choose to see what they truly are.
 
Bigga said:
So, to give people actual wages, not silly incrementalisations, a lowering or freezing of prices on rent and utilities, uni fees and/ or taxes, is far too left for people to consider?

Central/ neolib policies will and HAVE NOT solved this in the space and time you've mentioned; over 12 years.

How can the current situation not get through to you?
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Or course I'm in favour of all of those things in a perfect world! Who doesn't like cake?!

If everyone in the country got an 11% pay rise tomorrow, what do you think would happen to inflation?

If inflation went even higher, what do you think would happen then? The poorest people would suffer the most.

Of course we all want pay increases, of course we all want cheaper energy bills.
 
Bigga said:
"Toys out of the pram" was the attack on genuine and popular policies under Labour as it used to be, not this grotesque mask worn by the current 'Labour' incumbents.

There was nothing 'communist' about the last Labour leadership, just your common Sun reader being told about the view they're supposed to hold.

Look at it all now. Are you ever going to admit the problems neolib/ capitalist politics have gotten us? Or should we all still be 'tightening our belts' so the rich get even richer as they tell us to 'wait our turn'?

Will you ever learn...?
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Always makes me laugh when the Corbynistas use quotations on "Labour" as if only they know what Labour really is, and the Labour voters who delivered 3 landslide election victories on the spin are "Neolibs/ capitalists / Sun readers" or whatever, lol.

Labour won 3 landslides in a row and made the country a far better place following an ideology I believe in.

Labour lost 4 elections in a row following ideologies you believe in, and we've ended up with progressively worst Tory governments without even a viable opposition.

Will you ever learn....?
 
Bigga said:
Both El Shabazz and Dr Rev Martin Luther King Jr. spoke of the real problem being the liberal politician.

With those on the right, we know EXACTLY who they are. It's the ones who offer 'well meaning' platitudes and 'understanding' that are the wolves in sheep's clothing as they play both sides.

You'll earn some day, should you choose to see what they truly are.
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The liberals are the real fascists, right?
 
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Shaelumstash said:
Always makes me laugh when the Corbynistas use quotations on "Labour" as if only they know what Labour really is, and the Labour voters who delivered 3 landslide election victories on the spin are "Neolibs/ capitalists / Sun readers" or whatever, lol.

Labour won 3 landslides in a row and made the country a far better place following an ideology I believe in.

Labour lost 4 elections in a row following ideologies you believe in, and we've ended up with progressively worst Tory governments without even a viable opposition.

Will you ever learn....?
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That wasn't Labour, wolf in sheep's clothing.
Tory Cnuts just like Starmer.
 
Postman Pep said:
I smell the beginnings of a Liberal smear campaign.....



Let's nip this shite in the bud

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Agreed.

A couple of years ago fascists ambushed him and former AGS Steve Hedley during an counter EDL demo.

People have had enough and seeing the message straight talking union leaders are putting across and the neo libs are bricking it. So they'll do what they do best and smear people.
 
mat said:
Agreed.

A couple of years ago fascists ambushed him and former AGS Steve Hedley during an counter EDL demo.

People have had enough and seeing the message straight talking union leaders are putting across and the neo libs are bricking it. So they'll do what they do best and smear people.
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I agree with an awful lot of what he and Mick Lynch say.

Definitely supportive of them and think in the main they’re doing a great job.

I disagree with Mick Lynch on Brexit.

I disagree with Ed Dempsey’s comments in that video on the EDL, racial equality and liberals.

But not because of smears.

I’ve seen their actual words come out of their actual mouth and I disagree with them on those points.
 
mat said:
Agreed.

A couple of years ago fascists ambushed him and former AGS Steve Hedley during an counter EDL demo.

People have had enough and seeing the message straight talking union leaders are putting across and the neo libs are bricking it. So they'll do what they do best and smear people.
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Only a matter of time before he's accused of anti-Semitism.
 
Shaelumstash said:
I agree with an awful lot of what he and Mick Lynch say.

Definitely supportive of them and think in the main they’re doing a great job.

I disagree with Mick Lynch on Brexit.

I disagree with Ed Dempsey’s comments in that video on the EDL, racial equality and liberals.

But not because of smears.

I’ve seen their actual words come out of their actual mouth and I disagree with them on those points.
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I know both of them and unlike politicians if you questioned what they said to their faces they would happily debate with you.
 
mat said:
I know both of them and unlike politicians if you questioned what they said to their faces they would happily debate with you.
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I know their points of view mate.

I disagree with them on some points.

But that’s ok, I still support what they’re saying about wages and energy bills.

I’m long enough in the tooth to realise I’m not going to agree with anyone on every single point.
 
Shaelumstash said:
Or course I'm in favour of all of those things in a perfect world! Who doesn't like cake?!

If everyone in the country got an 11% pay rise tomorrow, what do you think would happen to inflation?

If inflation went even higher, what do you think would happen then? The poorest people would suffer the most.

Of course we all want pay increases, of course we all want cheaper energy bills.
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You bring the lowest up and cap the profits.

Inflation is already running rampant.

What's the excuse there, then?
 
Shaelumstash said:
Always makes me laugh when the Corbynistas use quotations on "Labour" as if only they know what Labour really is, and the Labour voters who delivered 3 landslide election victories on the spin are "Neolibs/ capitalists / Sun readers" or whatever, lol.

Labour won 3 landslides in a row and made the country a far better place following an ideology I believe in.

Labour lost 4 elections in a row following ideologies you believe in, and we've ended up with progressively worst Tory governments without even a viable opposition.

Will you ever learn....?
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So explain, then, why the Tories have stood on the shoulders of the policies you speak of (not really examining all of those policies) and made the country worse using the same models?

I'll tell you; because the Labour you believed in, thought it could serve two masters and made a deal with Devils by opening the doorway for them and here they are.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
Any idea why he spent time hanging out with Russian speaking separatists in Ukraine?
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Not a Scoobies.

However, I'm currently googling to fuck about it all to try and reach a conclusion about it. Currently I'm stuck reading various blogs from different "left wing parties." Some calling him a ****, t others defending him.

He was my lead officer for a few years I thought I knew how he operates. I might be re educating myself.
 
Bigga said:
You bring the lowest up and cap the profits.

Inflation is already running rampant.

What's the excuse there, then?
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Bit like saying the kitchen’s on fire anyway, what harm can a little petrol do?

Definitely open to renationalising energy, windfall taxes, short term cap on profits etc.

Definitely in favour of an incremental rise in wages and a rise in corporation tax.

But double-digit pay rises across the board is just going to create an inflationary death spiral which will make all of us poorer.
 
Bigga said:
So explain, then, why the Tories have stood on the shoulders of the policies you speak of (not really examining all of those policies) and made the country worse using the same models?

I'll tell you; because the Labour you believed in, thought it could serve two masters and made a deal with Devils by opening the doorway for them and here they are.
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They haven’t stood on the same policies in any way, shape or form though, have they?

We had 10 years of growth under Blair, the biggest redistribution of wealth over a 10 year period in history, record investment in the NHS, the shortest waiting times in history, tax credits, biggest ever spending on state education, close economic and political ties with the EU.

Under the Tories we had a decade of austerity, high taxes low spend, pathetic economic growth, NHS funding absolutely decimated, record long NHS waiting times, police spending absolutely decimated, fucking BREXIT! and then the last 3 years of absolute moronic incompetence!

You couldn’t really get a more stark contrast!
 
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