VAR thread 2022/23

[Hart of the Matter]

Corruption, maybe, incompetence definitely, but not arsed either way. No amount of in-play or after-play transparency is going to give me back my goal celebrations.

One final thought. Before VAR we felt wronged by a poor decision. With VAR we feel cheated by a poor decision. A VAR error feels more in inflammable. I'm old school. I hate VAR and its impact on the game. Those joyless fuckers who are more interested in the purity of the outcome rather than the emotion of the game, have won. Fkrs, each and everyone...

 

[Kippax77]

Until VAR is used in an open and transparent way and when mistakes are made they openly address them and explain their reasoning at the time to ensure the same mistakes are not made again, then it will remain as it is, not fit for purpose.

The refs on the pitch and used for VAR are incompetent, the management of PIGMOL are incompetent, there is very little consistency, the decisions made are the reading of the game vary (sometimes wildly) from match to match and there is a strong sense that some decisions are made more favourably towards certain teams to keep that team in the game, or to give them an advantage they should not have.

In short, large amounts of incompetence, decisions avoided which they think may harm the ‘product’ and decisions which seem to overly favour certain teams, leading to not just accusations of incompetence but also accusations of corruption, the scale of which is debatable.

Who funds PIGMOL?
Why can the wankers at Sky & BT hear the discussions and audio which is hidden from the fans, whilst listening to this audio, pundits such as Neville seem to be trying to influence those discussions, is this audio listened to at Stockley Park?

VAR is a system implemented by the multi billion pound industry which is the EPL and is run by the biggest set of fûckwits and morons any organisation could assemble, impressive really.

Always thought this about pundits being heard at Stockley Park.
Neville comments during an incident always seem to me to try and influence.
And as for that stupid cum groan he makes, just seems to be an coded instruction for a decision he wants.
Either that or he is just a fully fledged tosser

 

[BlueHammer85]

Corruption, maybe, incompetence definitely, but not arsed either way. No amount of in-play or after-play transparency is going to give me back my goal celebrations.

One final thought. Before VAR we felt wronged by a poor decision. With VAR we feel cheated by a poor decision. A VAR error feels more in inflammable. I'm old school. I hate VAR and its impact on the game. Those joyless fuckers who are more interested in the purity of the outcome rather than the emotion of the game, have won. Fkrs, each and everyone...

I felt more cheated before VAR watching players get awarded with penalty’s by going down in the box with ZERO contact (Salah on a weekly basis) and blatant offside goals being given, not by a toenail , by up to a foot offside … the decisions pre VAR was farcical and in a way I’d like us to scrap VAR so prem fans can be reminded how bad decision making by the officials without tech help actually is

Either way it’s a mess

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

I felt more cheated before VAR watching players get awarded with penalty’s by going down in the box with ZERO contact (Salah on a weekly basis) and blatant offside goals being given, not by a toenail , by up to a foot offside … the decisions pre VAR was farcical and in a way I’d like us to scrap VAR so prem fans can be reminded how bad decision making by the officials without tech help actually is

Either way it’s a mess

It is a mess.

 

[The slaughtered lamb]

I felt more cheated before VAR watching players get awarded with penalty’s by going down in the box with ZERO contact (Salah on a weekly basis) and blatant offside goals being given, not by a toenail , by up to a foot offside … the decisions pre VAR was farcical and in a way I’d like us to scrap VAR so prem fans can be reminded how bad decision making by the officials without tech help actually is

Either way it’s a mess

I think a large part of the problem as far as fans/people are concerned is polarisation into an either, or camp. There’s no doubt it clears up some of the more obvious injustices, when a player’s yards offside and I’m sure it clears up more mistakes than it makes. But there is something in what the previous poster pointed out. We now feel that we’ve been cheated. When var makes obvious fuck ups, it’s more than human error caused by the man in the middle. For my part, I always thought it was a good idea but also realised that if the wrong people were allowed to run it their way, it would turn into a disaster. My opinion hasn’t changed.

 

[KS55]

And the fact that VAR referrels might end up taking 4 and a half minutes was never on the tin, when they first sold it to us.

“Clear and obvious”

 

[BlueHammer85]

It is a mess.

Made more so *in my opinion* by social media and outraged biased fans calling everything a conspiracy- every bad/missed decision is being highlighted to the extreme, Twitter this morning is awash by some saying it was a foul on Mendy, with different freeze frame pictures etc … it’s a new layer of mess when social media divides everything

 

[KS55]

I’m not watching it. We’re about to have 60 kids descend on us for a 2 hour party.

Fun.

Crikey. 60 kids. Have a drink afterwards.

 

[Nellies left peg]

I felt more cheated before VAR watching players get awarded with penalty’s by going down in the box with ZERO contact (Salah on a weekly basis) and blatant offside goals being given, not by a toenail , by up to a foot offside … the decisions pre VAR was farcical and in a way I’d like us to scrap VAR so prem fans can be reminded how bad decision making by the officials without tech help actually is

Either way it’s a mess

Just have decent officials. There doesn’t tween to be any consequences for having a few shockingly bad games,perhaps being dropped for a game and then being brought back. They should be binned off

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Crikey. 60 kids. Have a drink afterwards.

We didn’t, we just went to bed at 9pm!

 

[KS55]

Improvements to VAR.
1. Allow the conversation between VAR and the on field ref to be relayed to the crowd and broadcasters.
2. Change the offside rule to feet only. The presence of VAR has removed the instances of giving the attacker the advantage in marginal cases. All that stuff of drawing lines from a shoulder to the ground takes time and is stupid. How much advantage does an attacker get if his feet are onside but his shoulder isn’t ?
3. Adopt a protocol in which the meaning of clear and obvious is acted upon.
4. Put FA in charge of VAR in all its aspects from appointment onwards. Currently, the PL refs are marking their own homework. A PL ref can be present to advise on the law but not take part in the decision, similar to mags clerk. Would remove accusations of bias.
5.Make VAR screen compulsory at all prem grounds.
6. Transfer PIGMOL to FA, not a PL subsidiary.

 

[halfcenturyup]

They will win when they are fair and consistent.

I won’t be holding my breath.

... and transparent. They could be tossing a coin for all we know now.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Just have decent officials.

Whilst i'll agree they are bad and have been since i've ever started watching

does there come a point where we say it's just to difficult for refs ? the speed of the game, the diving, the cheating, the crowd pressure, all decisions to be made in a split second

It really is a tough job without tech help.

 

[kippaxwarrior]

What happened to them releasing the audio after the decision was made so we could listen to how they came to the decision.

Or have I imagined that?

 

[remember arthur mann]

... and transparent. They could be tossing a coin for all we know now.

Yep, some tosser dithering trying to substantiate their huge wage plus extras they get payed...

 

[Dirty Harry]

I hate VAR and its impact on the game. Those joyless fuckers who are more interested in the purity of the outcome rather than the emotion of the game, have won. Fkrs, each and everyone...

Funny really, I was all for VAR, I guess I still am, but more in a form KS55 has put forward or very similar at least, but one thing I realised not so long ago, is that I couldn’t actually remember the last time I genuinely celebrated a goal fully with all the emotion and adrenaline involved after it had been scored.
Never imagined, as my thoughts have always been that getting the decision correct (haha) is/was the most important thing, and I could live with any inevitable ‘delay’, would have such an impact, but it has, you’re very right, it has sucked a hell of a lot of the enjoyment out of the game

 

[Hart of the Matter]

I felt more cheated before VAR watching players get awarded with penalty’s by going down in the box with ZERO contact (Salah on a weekly basis) and blatant offside goals being given, not by a toenail , by up to a foot offside … the decisions pre VAR was farcical and in a way I’d like us to scrap VAR so prem fans can be reminded how bad decision making by the officials without tech help actually is

Either way it’s a mess

You are prime joyless. It's a game FFS not a court case...

 

[Paladin]

I used to be a referee and have run many lines in my time. It was relatively easy to judge offside when all you had to look for was whether the attacker was fractionally ahead of the second last defender. I think it would be very difficult for assistant referees to judge based on feet positioning. Feet will mainly be on or just above the floor. There could be many more feet obscuring a clear view of a particular player's feet, with bodies leaning forwards, backwards, sideways etc.

Using feet as the point of measurement will be harder for on field officials, but much simpler for VARs.

 

[BlueHammer85]

You are prime joyless. It's a game FFS not a court case...

ha, I've always stated i'd be more than happy to scrap VAR if we can just accept poor decisions and just enjoy it.

if only that was the case.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I used to be a referee and have run many lines in my time. It was relatively easy to judge offside when all you had to look for was whether the attacker was fractionally ahead of the second last defender. I think it would be very difficult for assistant referees to judge based on feet positioning. Feet will mainly be on or just above the floor. There could be many more feet obscuring a clear view of a particular player's feet, with bodies leaning forwards, backwards, sideways etc.

Using feet as the point of measurement will be harder for on field officials, but much simpler for VARs.

Maybe this self automation will make it easier still. Probably not given how it’s used!