VAR thread 2022/23

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stonerblue said:
Where was this 'pressure' coming from?
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Absolutely everywhere (on FIFA, specifically): players, clubs, former professionals, media outlets, sporting governance, etc.

FIFA (under Blatter) had held out much longer than every other major sport in the world—in the case of American sports, which were the earliest adopters, decades after it was initially implemented—and their excuses for not bringing it in were getting very thin, especially in the context of the myriad investigations in to corruption happening at that time. Bringing in VAR was partly an attempt to save their (namely Infantino and co’s) own skins. Many of the leagues, including the PL, didn’t want it—even UEFA still didn’t want it in the CL—even though their reasoning was just as dubious.

Some analysts argue that one of the reasons it was implemented so poorly—in addition to allowing it to still be used for match manipulation—was an attempt to get fans and media to denounce and ask that it be removed, so they could go back to the even more murky state of officiating.

And, based your and others’ comments in this thread, that tactic seems to be at least somewhat effective.
 
Stephen230 said:
I’m neither a huge fan or a big anti. I can take it or leave it. But I do think a lot of people have short memories.

The main driving force behind VAR was seeing blatant mistakes by officials for things like off side, when one quick replay clearly showed an error. And I think what some people don’t take into account is those instances have been totally eradicated. I’m talking about the ones like when Walker was two yards off side before he crossed for Tottenham to score against us. When that happens now, VAR has one glance, tells the ref and play is restarted immediately and the incident is generally totally forgotten about instantly.

I’m not saying people can’t be in favour of scrapping VAR altogether. But bare in mind you’re advocating a return to the days where goals like that Walker one will stand.
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But maybe that was better than what we have now?

It seems like VAR has brought many many more 'incidents'

Walker being offside was a thing on its own. We are very probably going to have yet more incidents this weekend. We all know it. It happens every week.

If VAR can't be improved then yes I think it would be better if it was removed and brought back into line with grass roots football like they maintained in the first place. Unless it can be improved, the tech, the process, the transparency, the politics.
 
SebastianBlue said:
Absolutely everywhere (on FIFA, specifically): players, clubs, former professionals, media outlets, sporting governance, etc.

FIFA (under Blatter) had held out much longer than every other major sport in the world—in the case of American sports, which were the earliest adopters, decades after it was initially implemented—and their excuses for not bringing it in were getting very thin, especially in the context of the myriad investigations in to corruption happening at that time. Bringing in VAR was partly an attempt to save their (namely Infantino and co’s) own skins. Many of the leagues, including the PL, didn’t want it—even UEFA still didn’t want it in the CL—even though their reasoning was just as dubious.

Some analysts argue that one of the reasons it was implemented so poorly—in addition to allowing it to still be used for match manipulation—was an attempt to get fans and media to denounce and ask that it be removed, so they could go back to the even more murky state of officiating.

And, based your and others’ comments in this thread, that tactic seems to be at least somewhat effective.
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Not sure about the rest of your post but, in my case at least, corruption was never in my thoughts.
I was against it's introduction before we even trialled it because I thought it would ruin the game.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
I accept that they should use technology, but we absolutely shouldn't be accepting crap VAR decisions. If we don't call them out on it nothing will ever change.

It was brought in with good intentions, but like with everything there will always be those who will seek to use the situation to their advantage either by bending/blurring/breaking the rules, or just plain old cheating and lying.

With VAR in its current guise there are flaws in the system (mainly the human in the loop) that can be exploited. With a human in the loop system there will always be an element of variance in any decision making process (without factoring in conscious/unconscious bias), but any human can also have corrupt intentions. Then you have the issue of the video frame rates and offside decisions as to when the pass was made which can have a huge impact on the on/offside decision. Yes, they are attempting to address this with an accelerometer in the ball to determine the exact moment a pass is made which 'should' make it more accurate, but its still a 50fps camera system which needs long and careful calibration and if you knock a single camera during the game it throws the calibration out and invalidates any subsequent measurements.

Basically it boils down to the fact that there is opportunity and motive for 'individuals' to manipulate the system, and where there is opportunity, there will ALWAYS be someone motivated to try and exploit it. I personally think it's naive to believe VAR hasn't been used nefariously during its 4 years in operation, but on what scale I couldn't say.
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I thought it would be good as it would help referees. What it has morphed into is an abomination with Shockley park, different protocols in different competitions, LOTG changes being driven by it, fiction as to accuracy

Have a camera by the side of the pitch. If the red is unsure on something let him go to it and check it. If an offside needs measuring to MMS give the benefit to the forward. It’s really not hard.
 
I love the new, instant, 3D offside technology now employed in the Champions League. Great stuff.

My biggest complaint about VAR is that it takes too long and interferes with the spontaneity of the game. It ruins the experience. How often have you found City scoring some sort of awesome goal but you're afraid to cheer - awaiting the inevitable VAR goal review and possible offside call? Honestly, in-the-moment excitement and celebration have killed by VAR for me - this new, instant, offside technology is a big step in the right direction.
 
How about we ask the Premier League
a) why are the Pigmol officials so poor, after all you employ them
b) why is Pigmol so powerful and secretive.
c) what are you going to do as an organisation to stop the dreadful mistakes and controversy that happens every single week.
 
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inchy14 said:
Yes but my point is that with VAR these decisions couldn’t be ignored and had to be given. My original question was have they had a piss poor call go against them and pages later not one has been posted.
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Lots of angry Man Utd fans tonight with the penalty decision against them

Before VAR a ref would never have given that and it is nowhere near ‘stonewall’

The decision lost them the game
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Lots of angry Man Utd fans tonight with the penalty decision against them

Before VAR a ref would never have given that and it is nowhere near ‘stonewall’

The decision lost them the game
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I thought European football rule was penalty if you make your body "bigger", no matter what. So not "stonewall" in PL, but stonewall in Europe?

Maybe I misunderstand .... Not easy to keep up.
 
halfcenturyup said:
I thought European football rule was penalty if you make your body "bigger", no matter what. So not "stonewall" in PL, but stonewall in Europe?

Maybe I misunderstand .... Not easy to keep up.
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You are correct. Yet again the PL decided they were bigger than uefa and they would interpret the law differently.
I have posted before, if the PL stop kow towing to the media and constantly changing laws and interpretations, it would be so much better.
Last night was a straight penalty. That is why VAR did not intervene.
 
Blue Mist said:
Last night was a straight penalty. That is why VAR did not intervene.
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www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

'Robbery!' — Manchester United fans fume at VAR call for Real Sociedad penalty

Man United had a controversial penalty awarded against them in the second half of their match against Real Sociedad
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

If this penalty was given against one of our teams we would be furious about it

as it's Man Utd its obviously a 'clear' penalty

as i say though, without VAR there would be no reason a ref would give that as a penalty, just waved away and nothing would be mentioned.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
If this penalty was given against one of our teams we would be furious about it
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Only if we didn't understand the intricacies of the PL/UEFA interpretations. You should be happy. VAR got it right.

If you have a problem with the interpretations used, or the differences between PL and UEFA, those are different questions.
 
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