VAR thread 2022/23

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halfcenturyup said:
Just out of interest, would it have been a penalty if the ball hadn't been deflected onto his arm, but hit it directly? And why?
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I think he's done all he can to ensure the ball doesn't hit his arms directly by turning his back and keeping his arms not outstretched, so it's only the deflection that's made it possible to strike his arms. so, it that sense I do think it was a bit unjust - I'm not to bothered though, as its against Man U, so f*ck em but yeh if against W.Ham i'd feel pissed off with that and calling corruption!
 
BlueHammer85 said:
indeed, but why did the Ref give it if there is a conspiracy to benefit Man Utd , it's an extremely dubious penalty in my opinion and the ref could easily ignored it - and it's quite a big defeat for them (which i'm happy about by the way)

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Man Utd fans livid as VAR gives another contentious call

MANCHESTER UNITED hosted Real Sociedad in the Europa League on Thursday night,
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I reckon there would have been a different outcome in a premier league match. No way that penalty is given. Would that have been the correct decision, given the current rules? Probably, but it’s the way they come to that decision and the media interference in it that’s salient and what pisses fans off. We’d have had Gary Neville’s cum groan followed by 3 minutes of pandering to the rags.

Take McTominay’s juggling act against Southampton. That’s a penalty against most teams and yes, that’s subjective but accurate in my opinion, but they didn’t see fit to refer the ref to that one. But where it’s not clear and obvious, like the three at the weekend, they’re happy to interfere. I thought the idea in those circumstances was to leave it to the referee? It’s clear to me that someone’s in their ear, influencing them. The outcome is usually in favour of the bigger clubs with the purest media presence. The good news is pgmol and the media are tying themselves in knots, meaning their long term influence on the outcome of the competition is limited.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
To be fair, in European competition, they tend to be given. We had one with Laporte against Madrid last season.

It’s the differing in interpretation that causes this difference.

I think the PL interpretation is the better of the two, in this scenario.
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Not for me. If you are blocking a shot and the ball hits your arm, you are asking for trouble. The whole purpose of the player's movement is to get in the way of the ball, so his arms, wherever they are, make the blocking area bigger. I don't care if he is looking or not, or the ball defects up, or how floppy his arms are. If you throw yourself at the ball to block it, it can't be accidental. If you are attempting to play the ball, and it deflects up and hits your arm (as long as they are in a natural position for the , movement made), I can see why that is different. But a block? Or as the law says : "By having their hand/arm in such a[n unnatural] position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised."

It's another of those subjective areas which will always cause argument between fans, I suppose.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Not for me. If you are blocking a shot and the ball hits your arm, you are asking for trouble. The whole purpose of the player's movement is to get in the way of the ball, so his arms, wherever they are, make the blocking area bigger. I don't care if he is looking or not, or the ball defects up, or how floppy his arms are. If you throw yourself at the ball to block it, it can't be accidental. If you are attempting to play the ball, and it deflects up and hits your arm (as long as they are in a natural position for the , movement made), I can see why that is different. But a block? Or as the law says : "By having their hand/arm in such a[n unnatural] position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised."

It's another of those subjective areas which will always cause argument between fans, I suppose.
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Indeed. It has been described very clearly as not a penalty in the PL.

I’d argue that the arms were in a natural position and in 95% of the time they are. It’s only when defenders make the move to try and put their hands round their backs or deliberately handle the ball that their hands aren’t in a natural position.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Indeed. It has been described very clearly as not a penalty in the PL.

I’d argue that the arms were in a natural position and in 95% of the time they are. It’s only when defenders make the move to try and put their hands round their backs or deliberately handle the ball that their hands aren’t in a natural position.
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Fairy Nuff.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
I’d be happy with none, or 6 inches or whatever. The issue will always remain around marginal calls.

If the technology can detect it to that degree, all we need to do is decide what means it’s offside.
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I agree with this.

If the tech is better than officials with an agenda to manipulate matches then I'll accept that.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Do you think that a ricochet off your own body onto your arm should be a penalty, or do you think that’s an incredibly harsh decision?

Handball had always had an element of subjection, hence why it’s such a mess at the moment.

Whenever ex-pros use the “need to know the game” narrative, what they mean is it’s against the laws of the game, but shouldn’t be a foul.
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It doesn't matter what I think. It is a law written and enforced by Uefa. It might be a stupid law but it is the law that referees enforce.
I dont even know why it is being discussed in the var thread. It was never a var issue. The referee made the correct call as per Uefas rules. Just because the Premier League decided to manipulate it slightly has no bearing.

(But to answer your question yes very harsh)
 
Blue Mist said:
It doesn't matter what I think. It is a law written and enforced by Uefa. It might be a stupid law but it is the law that referees enforce.
I dont even know why it is being discussed in the var thread. It was never a var issue. The referee made the correct call as per Uefas rules. Just because the Premier League decided to manipulate it slightly has no bearing.

(But to answer your question yes very harsh)
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It’s on the VAR thread as it would have been overturned in the PL, showing that even though the laws of the game are the same, the interpretation can lead to different decisions.

Interesting that you seem to deem UEFA’s interpretation as correct when suggesting it is the PL who have “manipulated” the law, yet agree that the PL‘s interpretation when suggesting it was “very harsh”.

Thats not wrong, it just shows the nuances in play when interpreting the LOTG.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
yep fair enough, I thought it looked harsh but if that's the European rules on handball then so be it

what I'm highlighting is how many think Man Utd never get any contentious decisions go against them and that all fanbases feel aggrieved that there is a agenda against them when things don't go their way
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No mate, you started with a wrong call about var before mentioning United or agendas. Threw in a bit about Salah half way through.
 
stonerblue said:
No mate, you started with a wrong call about var before mentioning United or agendas. Threw in a bit about Salah half way through.
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if that penalty decision was given against City there would many furious and angry that VAR did not overturn the refs decision and calling corruption like Man Utd fans are doing

same for all clubs fanbases.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
It’s on the VAR thread as it would have been overturned in the PL, showing that even though the laws of the game are the same, the interpretation can lead to different decisions.

Interesting that you seem to deem UEFA’s interpretation as correct when suggesting it is the PL who have “manipulated” the law, yet agree that the PL‘s interpretation when suggesting it was “very harsh”.

Thats not wrong, it just shows the nuances in play when interpreting the LOTG.
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As I understand it, I could be wrong (I have occasionally been, see the spice girl thing in The King and I)
Uefa decide how rules/laws are interpreted. The rest of the european leagues follow what they say. The PL decided not to. I agree that the PL's interpretation is better or at least more sensible but the rags weren't playing in the PL.
Going back to why is it on here, it was a European game therefore whether the PL/var would review it is neither here nor there.
Other than the back pass rule, no one changed any laws for 40 years or more. The Premier league has come along and we change them mid season. It has gone stupid.
 
Blue Mist said:
As I understand it, I could be wrong (I have occasionally been, see the spice girl thing in The King and I)
Uefa decide how rules/laws are interpreted. The rest of the european leagues follow what they say. The PL decided not to. I agree that the PL's interpretation is better or at least more sensible but the rags weren't playing in the PL.
Going back to why is it on here, it was a European game therefore whether the PL/var would review it is neither here nor there.
Other than the back pass rule, no one changed any laws for 40 years or more. The Premier league has come along and we change them mid season. It has gone stupid.
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I’m not really in disagreement. I just wish either the laws were crystal clear or everybody did the same thing. It’d help everybody enormously.

But then what would we argue about?!

Off to see if I can see the Spice girl faux pas. My memory of them isn’t strong!
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
I’m not really in disagreement. I just wish either the laws were crystal clear or everybody did the same thing. It’d help everybody enormously.

But then what would we argue about?!

Off to see if I can see the Spice girl faux pas. My memory of them isn’t strong!
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Re the spice girl thing, my phone was hacked.

But before you go, when I say manipulated I didn't mean in a corrupt way. I perhaps should have put interpretation.
And yes, give the players and fans more clarity but I've long said, sky dictate and the PL are too soft. See Aguero Adebayor and several other outrageous decisions.
 
Blue Mist said:
Re the spice girl thing, my phone was hacked.

But before you go, when I say manipulated I didn't mean in a corrupt way. I perhaps should have put interpretation.
And yes, give the players and fans more clarity but I've long said, sky dictate and the PL are too soft. See Aguero Adebayor and several other outrageous decisions.
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There’ll always be controversial decisions though. They’re shite when they go against you, amazing when they happen for you or against teams you hate.

Then there are the decisions that neutral teams get and they’re the ones we can debate properly on here with fewer blinkers on.

Making such a spice girl faux pas really did scream “Look at me”…
 
BlueHammer85 said:
so like pre VAR, Salah does a blatent dive, zero contact and the ref points to the spot - that's the right way to go ? just accept it ?

fair enough honestly if you prefer that, but i'd rather he takes a second look at the monitor and books Salah
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You didn't get my gist. I agreed with the previous poster that the ref should decide always. If that means going to the monitor for a second look, so be it. But as long as he decides and no-one else.
 
Just watched Sampdoria v Milan.

You thought VAR was corrupt in the EPL...

Bent as a nine bob note
 
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