The British Monarchy

They are figureheads nothing more, they actually serve little purpose.

I prefer the model of the Dutch Royal family, they have normal days jobs and just appear for stat occasions.


The budget for the Dutch royal family is roughly half of what it is for our royal family, considering they have a population of some 17.4 million the British royal family are value for money. It's £1.29 per person per year.

The monarchy isn't going anywhere it's a tradition and a culture and anytime anything happens you get someone shouting from the back to remove it because it's old and antiquated, it's tradition and culture what do people expect it to be?
 
It's wholly different. Those footballers and billionaires you've just mentioned have actually grafted to get to where they are. Actual hard work and dedication. Not just showing your face at public events to cut a ribbon and then wave and smile politely. They didn't have a life of unparalleled luxury thrust upon them purely because they fell out of a particularly birth canal.

The Royal Family are loved by many. That's fine. But many also see them for what they are, the vestiges of bloodthirsty, lawless land grabs and a time when they quite literally shat on their subjects from a great height. Good on those representing those Irish and African groups who aren't conforming to this fawning, sickly bullshit.

I have more respect for ALL of City's players than I do for my new "king". In fact I have more respect for the tea lady. He isn't my king; I fucking detest what he represents and embodies and thus, he's an irrelevance to me.
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It's wholly different. Those footballers and billionaires you've just mentioned have actually grafted to get to where they are. Actual hard work and dedication. Not just showing your face at public events to cut a ribbon and then wave and smile politely. They didn't have a life of unparalleled luxury thrust upon them purely because they fell out of a particularly birth canal.

The Royal Family are loved by many. That's fine. But many also see them for what they are, the vestiges of bloodthirsty, lawless land grabs and a time when they quite literally shat on their subjects from a great height. Good on those representing those Irish and African groups who aren't conforming to this fawning, sickly bullshit.

I have more respect for ALL of City's players than I do for my new "king". In fact I have more respect for the tea lady. He isn't my king; I fucking detest what he represents and embodies and thus, he's an irrelevance to me.
I don't necessarily disagree with you. My point was that human emotion is not 100 per cent rational. Some of us are emotionally attached to the royals; some to footballers; some to steam locos. None of us really understands the other 'clans', so to speak.

I really don't want to say much more right now, but I'll be happy to discuss the general issue in a couple of weeks, or later on. Given that I feel the entire constitution should be radically reformed I don't suppose I am hiding much. But I'll leave it there.
 
Even if you believe they don’t serve a purpose, which is very wrong as she’s been the greatest ambassador in the history of the country, they literally make a profit that goes into the exchequer to be spent by the government.

From a purely economic perspective they’re worth keeping and that’s ignoring everything else.

People want rid of the monarchy for ideological purposes only.
Your opinion, not mine.
 
The budget for the Dutch royal family is roughly half of what it is for our royal family, considering they have a population of some 17.4 million the British royal family are value for money. It's £1.29 per person per year.

The monarchy isn't going anywhere it's a tradition and a culture and anytime anything happens you get someone shouting from the back to remove it because it's old and antiquated, it's tradition and culture what do people expect it to be?
I would love to know the real budget and if people knew that figure, I think the change would be very quick and sudden.

How much inheritance tax will her children pay in the coming months? ZERO that's how much.

I lost my Dad 12 moths ago, My Dad's will is still in probate and my brother and myself will have a huge tax bill.
 
I would love to know the real budget and if people knew that figure, I think the change would be very quick and sudden.

How much inheritance tax will her children pay in the coming months? ZERO that's how much.

I lost my Dad 12 moths ago, My Dad's will is still in probate and my brother and myself will have a huge tax bill.

You'll find any excuse not to like them, but the monarchy isn't going anywhere, buckle in and enjoy the ride.
 
I can only speak for myself but I had a few tears because of the life she lived and how dedicated she was to the role.

It’s what she represents and how she carried herself in the role.
Thanks for sharing your perspective. I think I understand the part about dedication, seeing someone who is devoted to something can make you feel a warmth towards them. I suppose from my perspective, though I respected that dedication I am more equivocal about what she represented and so wasn't emotionally invested in her.
 
You'll find any excuse not to like them, but the monarchy isn't going anywhere, buckle in and enjoy the ride.
I don't have to find an excuse to not like them, in modern life their in my opinion is no place for royalty.

I no longer live in the UK and looking on from afar I have seen through the bullsh1t of "our Royal Family is revered throughout the world". That is a simple lie.
 
I don't have to find an excuse to not like them, in modern life their in my opinion is no place for royalty.

I no longer live in the UK and looking on from afar I have seen through the bullsh1t of "our Royal Family is revered throughout the world". That is a simple lie.

I wouldn't worry about it then, obviously it doesn't affect you now.
 
If I had carte blanche to reshape the constitution then I think I would abolish the monarchy, or at the very least make them wholly extraneous to the political process.

I think our political system is ineffectual, undemocratic and anachronistic and it would be intellectually dishonest of me to exclude the presence of a hereditary system within that equation, as it plainly is.

The stability that a monarchy has provided must also have contributed to the oscillation within our political system and institutions which has undoubtedly (imo) precipitated our decline as a nation. One only has to look at the pitiful quality of politicians across the political spectrum today compared to a generation ago to appreciate how stark that decline is.

The whole thing needs ripping up and starting again, and the position of a hereditary head of state has to be part of that process, as it has to be part of the problem. It’s difficult to argue otherwise.
 
Even if you believe they don’t serve a purpose, which is very wrong as she’s been the greatest ambassador in the history of the country, they literally make a profit that goes into the exchequer to be spent by the government.

From a purely economic perspective they’re worth keeping and that’s ignoring everything else.

People want rid of the monarchy for ideological purposes only.

I’m sure it can be done but it would take a pretty flexible definition of how much money they generate to show them making a profit. Although, as you say, if they do ever fall it won’t be for financial reasons.
 
It's wholly different. Those footballers and billionaires you've just mentioned have actually grafted to get to where they are. Actual hard work and dedication. Not just showing your face at public events to cut a ribbon and then wave and smile politely. They didn't have a life of unparalleled luxury thrust upon them purely because they fell out of a particularly birth canal.

The Royal Family are loved by many. That's fine. But many also see them for what they are, the vestiges of bloodthirsty, lawless land grabs and a time when they quite literally shat on their subjects from a great height. Good on those representing those Irish and African groups who aren't conforming to this fawning, sickly bullshit.

I have more respect for ALL of City's players than I do for my new "king". In fact I have more respect for the tea lady. He isn't my king; I fucking detest what he represents and embodies and thus, he's an irrelevance to me.
You need to pull your arse out of the past and judge the monarchy now. Parliament used to shit on the common man, other nations and engage in bloodthirsty land grabs. The people in the monarchy and parliament have changed over the centuries in line with modern views.

It’s a life of privilege in a monetary sense but many privileges you and I enjoy they aren’t afforded. They’re not free to live a normal life, you have to watch absolutely everything you say and do, cannot go out about your day without being filmed and followed by thousands. Even Harry said he feels sorry for senior Royals as it’s like being trapped in that life.

I’d take the odd worry about bills and my terrace house over Buckingham Palace, to live a free life where I can go out and enjoy myself whilst being left alone.

And it’s not just cutting ribbons, she’s overseen the Commonwealth, been the most traveled monarch in history, got her arse out there acting as an ambassador, met and hosted leaders from all over the world, questioned Prime Ministers and spoken to the public.

She was working two days before she died for fuck sake.

You need to look at what other leaders have said about her, your opinion more informed than Obama’s for example? Or Macron?

Even the SNP, who want to leave the UK love her and what’s she’s done.

You might hate the fact it’s inherited but there is a benefit to that, it means a single family are giving their lives to be dedicated to these roles and with that you get much more dedication and consistency.

You talk about land grabs and bloodthirst from the past but every leader in every country and every people did that, it’s not a symptom of the monarchy necessarily, it was a symptom of human aggression and greed which has been shown in many other systems.

Putin is doing it now and he’s not a monarch, if he was and there was a democratic elected parliament, they’d have probably stopped him.

I’ve seen loads of posts and comments from Africa sending condolences. Of course there are hateful and bitter ignorant people who won’t and will say disgusting things but they are best off ignored, the majority of people understand what a great person she was.
 
I think there are a number of levels to this.
there are a group of people who are very strong royalists who will be genuinely emotional at her death.
there are a group that aren’t particularly royalist by nature but recognise the role the Queen played and how faultlessly she played it and will be deeply sad at her death
there are a group of people who seem to be ‘mourning tourists’ that will want to flock to wherever they can be caught on camera
there are those who saw the Queen as a touchstone for the nation and that all that was good and decent about being British and they will mourn the loss of her (and to an extent the Britain that is gone).
there will be a category who do not have strong family ties or a matriarchal figure and have seen her as such.
maybe there is an age aspect to this also with youngsters not being as deeply invested as those of ay over 50

There are probably more levels that I have missed. She was living history. I’m not a royalist but have to admit feeling a deep sense of loss and I don’t think I will be unusual in saying that.
I’m very far from being a Charles fan but I thought his address to the nation was pitch perfect. I don’t expect it but live in hope that he can somehow influence the utter cunts that are ‘running our country’ just now and shame them into returning to some of the better values that made us a great nation.
 
I’m sure it can be done but it would take a pretty flexible definition of how much money they generate to show them making a profit. Although, as you say, if they do ever fall it won’t be for financial reasons.
It’s published how much they take off the taxpayer, how much they make themselves and how much is given back.

I did a quick Google last night and they always make a profit (Covid aside) and it’s given back into the pot.
 

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