Queen Elizabeth II

Feel like Trevor Sinclair, the racist hypocrite?

He moaned about racism being outlawed since the 60s and linked it to the Queen and black/brown people not mourning her death (when the two have got nowt to do with each other… I’m also not mourning, by the way), when he’s been charged for being a racist before now.

Nobody should be paying any attention to what he’s said.



It's a fair opinion.

I stated there are others that "feel" like Sinclair, not hold his particular views. There's quite a lot people on here that ignore the ravages of colonialism and, therefore, don't understand the feeling about the passing of QEII.

In fact, he should have clarified his statement rather than retract it. He bent the knee for fear of loss of future work and being cast out as a pariah.

The power of social media.
 
It costs nothing to be respectful when someone dies, and the Queen served this country to the end and deserves thanks for that. How would you feel if a member of your family passed away then your next door neighbour runs out with a bottle of bubbly dancing, singing, laughing at your loss. I know what I would do, some people are just not nice people and you can’t account for these types.

Gross exaggeration or what?
 
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No one on this forum would sit through that utter annoying garbage, can't you find another forum that would appreciate this crap ?

As a City fan, I could say the same about you, but you have the nerve ask me, a lifelong Blue, to leave a City forum... I haven't asked you to fuck off anywhere, have I?

Let that sink in for you.
 
70 years and this is the best that they could come up with in terms of dishing up dirt on her?

Pathetic really how these little attention-seeking lefties can’t accept the fact that she was a fantastic head of state who acted selflessly and for the benefit of her country, and who was widely respected by the public in turn.
It was a response to the claim by @kaz7 that she was apolitical and by extension your assertion that she always acted selflessly and put the country first.

She clearly sacrificed a lot, any resemblance of a normal life above all else, in fulfilling the role she was born into but there is no need to pretend that she never used the power and influence bestowed upon her to protect her own interests.
 
Yes, because respect.

Your right mate.
It’s perfectly acceptable to shout and holler during a 96 year old woman’s funeral.
If he did this at a normal funeral he’d be the next funeral
Attention seeking arsehole who is lucky he didn’t get battered.
He is only doing it because we don’t live in Russia.
You clearly didnt watch the clip because if you did then you would see he did get battered. And suppose you are going to say he deserved that too?
 
Those reports have been around for a while and they are evidence enough to show she wasn't entirely selfless. As an unelected person you are either in place ceremonially or not at all in my opinion. One example of her seeking to influence for her own gain is enough of a slight. Had she been elected she would be well within her rights to influence policy.


She was respected because she was old, had celebrity status and people saw a mother/grandmother in her. But you cannot dismiss reports like these and just claim she was selfless. She had her own interests and wanted to protect them. When you are born to a role and outside of the system then that warrants criticism.
I’m not suggesting that the Queen was perfect, as nobody is.

My argument is that with each and every approach to having a head of state - who as a requirement of the job should remain impartial - there will be pros and cons, and most pertinently some potential for that individual to pursue self-interest.

If we have an elected head of state, which a lot of people seem to advocate for some reason, then I can’t see how the various candidates could remain apolitical. For me, the very moment they present themselves for election, the process automatically becomes political, as they would have a prospectus, an agenda, and a different appeal to different sections of society. Further, when you consider that the pool of candidates would very likely emerge almost entirely from former politicians, then any prospect of remaining apolitical and avoiding self-interest would reduce even further.

How would an elected head of state behave when public opinion shifts, when they or the party they used to represent approach re-election, or when their own popularity is under pressure? Would the scope for self-interest really be reduced? I would also argue that having someone in the job for life would naturally leave them better placed to adopt a longer view.

No system is perfect, but if the Queen’s various alleged discretions really are the sum damage inflicted over the course of 70 years, then I think we’ve done remarkably well.
 
Respect what the nonse who.should be banged up
Respect the Queen by:

1. watching cricket, not football.
2. Not saying anything negative about the royal family at all.
3. Respecting the need of Royalists‘ need to tell everyone how to mourn.
4. Exaggerating the amount of mourning you’ve seen.
5. Calling anyone who doesn’t like the monarchy a communist.
6. Spreading the rumour that Meghan killed the Queen.
 
its sad that the queen has died , but i'm a bit bored now, they are talking bollocks , "its going dark in edinburgh now, as if the sky knows the mood of the queens subjects", " young children walking the streets of edinburgh hold their parents hand " wtf, the press are just filling time, load of fucking waffle, they've got king charles old school bedroom , ffs

get on with it until the funeral have a bit of a mope then back to normal
 
It’s solely because of social media - it gives a general feeling that society is broken and you will always have controversial opinions, many say stuff just for clicks.
If you had no social media/forums and just watched the coverage and see the millions paying their respects then you’d have a different perspective

Are you allowed to talk to people to form this perspective you speak of? Or only watch coverage? I'm not sure what the rules are now
 
Respect the Queen by:

1. watching cricket, not football.
2. Not saying anything negative about the royal family at all.
3. Respecting the need of Royalists‘ need to tell everyone how to mourn.
4. Exaggerating the amount of mourning you’ve seen.
5. Calling anyone who doesn’t like the monarchy a communist.
6. Spreading the rumour that Meghan killed the Queen.
And locking anyone up who disagrees. You really shouod move to Saudi Arabia pal I think that you would love it there.
 
Quite proud to have seen a friend of 20+ years in the guard of honour yesterday. In fact as a history nerd it's fascinating. Theres the King and a lad I became friends with by sneezing on in French class and having to try and quietly pick a stray bogey off his arm.
You Brits have really weird traditions.
 
Thank you. It was this and only ever this. At no point was I ever trying to be provocative. I'm literally not that person. Just very confused and a tiny bit irritated by the persistent descriptions of the public mood by the media, which, as far as I'm personally aware, go strongly against what I've experienced over the past few days. I'm sorry if I've annoyed anyone. Genuinely never meant to. Spent too much time on here over the last few days, but I'm genuinely going to put that down to no football freeing up an awful lot of time that I'd usually be working ha. Anyway, absolutely gonna try my best to stay out of this thread now. Dunno if I'll succeed, but I'll try.
Well said.

I feel slightly guilty that it was your reply agreeing with my post that seems to have upset some people - I certainly wouldn't have been surprised if I had seen a stronger emotional response to the queen's death and would never, ever have judged anyone negatively for having such a response - it's just that this has not been my experience at all.

I would contrast this with Diana's death in '97 - to me this, as the premature death of a relatively young person, was a far more shocking event and a bigger news story but one that in the end had zero personal resonance for me - but back then I felt my feelings were very much out of step with the majority of the country - there was a palpable atmosphere of fevered hysteria for several days - it was the first time I genuinely struggled to recognize the country where I had lived my whole life. I have simply not personally seen this kind of reaction in the past few days - this was the only thing I was trying to say.
 
Thank you. It was this and only ever this. At no point was I ever trying to be provocative. I'm literally not that person. Just very confused and a tiny bit irritated by the persistent descriptions of the public mood by the media, which, as far as I'm personally aware, go strongly against what I've experienced over the past few days. I'm sorry if I've annoyed anyone. Genuinely never meant to. Spent too much time on here over the last few days, but I'm genuinely going to put that down to no football freeing up an awful lot of time that I'd usually be working ha. Anyway, absolutely gonna try my best to stay out of this thread now. Dunno if I'll succeed, but I'll try.
Bye...
 

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