The Conservative Party

Vic said:
They'll soon be the only people who can afford to be in pubs.
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Unless they drink 60 pints 40 g&t's and eat 10 burgers a night there will be no pubs. People have both a wallet and a belly - if peoples wallets won't take them to a pub coz of costs those who can afford it need to take up the slack and there is a limit to consumption. Today was the final nail in your favourite boozers coffin lid
 
I said a few days ago that the pound would tank after the anouncement today, and lo and behold, it came to pass - 3% drop against the dollar. We're heading for parity with the dollar and it'll happen before the next election, bar for a miracle.
Today has seen a reversal of policy since the last election, and the 2 before that. What the fuck of a trick have they been playing on us for the last 12 years?
What an absolute piss-take.
Labour might still fuck it up from here, but, what a poisoned chalice to inherit.
 
the blue panther said:
I said a few days ago that the pound would tank after the anouncement today, and lo and behold, it came to pass - 3% drop against the dollar. We're heading for parity with the dollar and it'll happen before the next election, bar for a miracle.
Today has seen a reversal of policy since the last election, and the 2 before that. What the fuck of a trick have they been playing on us for the last 12 years?
What an absolute piss-take.
Labour might still fuck it up from here, but, what a poisoned chalice to inherit.
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If the policy was sound the pound wouldn’t be collapsing especially with interest rates going up. The pound collapsing with the backdrop of higher interest rates is a sure fire indication that huge tax cuts for the very rich funded by massive borrowing is a really bad idea, and any marginal gains of the weak pound helping exports or in encouraging overseas investment are blown out of the water by excessive inflation and the sanctions we have imposed on ourselves due to our catastrophic implementation of Brexit.

Making a big deal of the benefits of a weak pound in these circumstances is like saying the lifeboats did a decent job on the Titanic even though the ship still sank.
 
hampshireblue said:
Or they pay to put their kids through private school on which they pay no VAT. Or they put the extra into tax efficient trusts to benefit their kids. Or they buy a few more buy to lets. Or they do indeed buy stocks and shares as the markets continue to fall over the next few months...shall I go on?
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Tory MPs in tourist areas audibly angry about making it even easier to buy property as second and third homes or as Airbnb. Kwarting then said he'd be willing to hear about the problems - doesn't he know?

The idea that they are looking after their heartlands is not right. They're losing rural areas and the "no we've not got an electoral pact" electoral pacts will mean whoever is best placed to beat the sitting Tory will do well.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
From the RSPB's twitter account (I know )





When bird watchers / protectors get angry you know somethings amiss


What you all wearing to the riots?
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A radicalised RSPB has long been anticipated. I expect ‘Bill Oddie to walk into Claridge’s wearing his twitcher’s vest and the pockets are full of every conceivable explosive…’
 
bluemoon32 said:
Not saying all Tory voters are cunts
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I will.

Fuck the tories and and fuck whoever voted for them.

Sick of making excuses for the combination of horrible twats who wanted this and stubborn morons who wouldn't listen and then act surprised when shit like this happens. It happened enough after Brexit.

Fuck them all. They might not all be Liz Truss but they're still cunts.
 
Tugay One Cup said:
I will.

Fuck the tories and and fuck whoever voted for them.

Sick of making excuses for the combination of horrible twats who wanted this and stubborn morons who wouldn't listen and then act surprised when shit like this happens. It happened enough after Brexit.

Fuck them all. They might not all be Liz Truss but they're still cunts.
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If someone doesn't vote the way you want them to it doesn't mean they are wrong, what it means is that they had reasons to vote the way they vote.

The Labour party have a lot to answer for because they are so shit that even with these monsters in power people still couldn't bring themselves to vote for Labour in the numbers needed to get into No10.

Even now Starmer is being undermined by fist pumping Che wannabes, the party is a basketcase.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
From the RSPB's twitter account (I know )





When bird watchers / protectors get angry you know somethings amiss


What you all wearing to the riots?
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To me their concerns seem valid:

Back in August, Policy Exchange hosted a talk by the American economist Paul Romer:

"Paul spoke about his pioneering idea that city-sized areas can be created in developing countries so that their citizens can experiment with better rules. An example would be the experience of Hong Kong in China. He stated that by setting examples in these areas, better rules and new ideas can spread more quickly. Paul argued that large-scale migration is no longer possible. Hundreds of millions of people cannot move to places with better rules and laws. Instead they can move to Charter Cities."

Romer's proposal focuses on helping the populations of developing countries through the establishment of brand new self-governing mega-cities located on the coast for easy access to the outside world and a ready supply of water. Like old-time Hong Kong and Singapore, these Charter Cities would be dedicated to hard work and enterprise; tax and economic regulation would be minimal, with for example, no minimum wage and no social benefits. But crucially, the rule of law - both criminal and civil - would be paramount, and guaranteed by some strong third party from the developed world outside.

In truth, most of the audience seemed sceptical that this proposal could ever fly (for example, what's in it for the guarantors?). But what if instead of establishing new Charter Cities on the coasts of developing countries, we simply reconstituted some of our own dying coastal cities? Liverpool, Hull, and Tyneside would be good places to start.

Take Hull. Given its prime location facing Europe, we've long believed it has huge potential, and yet it has failed dismally to exploit it. Suppose it became our own version of a Charter City - minimum wage and working hours regulations abolished, social benefits for working age citizens abolished (maybe a 5 year phased withdrawal), central government economic and planning and regulations abolished, no more central government development assistance but a 10% flat rate income tax, 10% Corporation Tax rate, and no capital gains tax.

Public spending as a percentage of GDP would obviously fall sharply, and those that depend on public spending would certainly feel the squeeze (although welfare recipients could be given the option of staying on benefit if they relocated outside the City). But against that, Hull would attract entrepreneurs and private investment on an unprecedented scale - and with its easy European access, much of the inflow would come from overseas. There would soon be jobs for all."

What this kind of thinking amounts to looks to me like another variant on the zombie economics of the untrammelled free-market. Full-employment is also a chimera these days, as global market competition typically interacts with technological innovation to give us an essentially unstable, anarchic world economy. Charter cities or special zones of investment would be no more insulated from future convulsions and mutations of global free trade than anywhere else, and the lack of welfare benefits, which would surely be minimal, would probably make these places just as bad to live in as they are now.

It is also worth noting that off-the-leash capitalism of this kind is always corrosive of social cohesion, so that crime and incarceration rates increase, with the USA being the prime example. I only have figures dating back to 1997 but back then, by the start of that year, around one in fifty adult American males was behind bars and one in twenty was on parole or probation.

This is something that Tory voters don't seem to grasp. The higher crime rates that follow-on from the imposition of neoliberal policies (which inevitably include cuts to public services and welfare) are usually met with an exasperated 'this country is going to the dogs' response and demands that the government should resort to still more punitive measures and get 'tough on crime'.

Presumably, that is why 'the rule of law would be paramount'.

Sounds like a prescription for turning Hull and other places into something like Mega-City One, with Judge Dredd marauding around.

The dystopian shithole that is Shenzhen in mainland China but close to Hong Kong would be a better point of comparison.
 
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Ifwecouldjust....... said:
From the RSPB's twitter account (I know )





When bird watchers / protectors get angry you know somethings amiss


What you all wearing to the riots?
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The map is a bit naughty. The green bits are county areas which will have an enterprise zone, not the boundaries of enterprise zones.

Still, who cares? Get those twitchers twitching.
 
ZenHalfTimeCrock said:
To me their concerns seem valid:

Back in August, Policy Exchange hosted a talk by the American economist Paul Romer:

"Paul spoke about his pioneering idea that city-sized areas can be created in developing countries so that their citizens can experiment with better rules. An example would be the experience of Hong Kong in China. He stated that by setting examples in these areas, better rules and new ideas can spread more quickly. Paul argued that large-scale migration is no longer possible. Hundreds of millions of people cannot move to places with better rules and laws. Instead they can move to Charter Cities."

Romer's proposal focuses on helping the populations of developing countries through the establishment of brand new self-governing mega-cities located on the coast for easy access to the outside world and a ready supply of water. Like old-time Hong Kong and Singapore, these Charter Cities would be dedicated to hard work and enterprise; tax and economic regulation would be minimal, with for example, no minimum wage and no social benefits. But crucially, the rule of law - both criminal and civil - would be paramount, and guaranteed by some strong third party from the developed world outside.

In truth, most of the audience seemed sceptical that this proposal could ever fly (for example, what's in it for the guarantors?). But what if instead of establishing new Charter Cities on the coasts of developing countries, we simply reconstituted some of our own dying coastal cities? Liverpool, Hull, and Tyneside would be good places to start.

Take Hull. Given its prime location facing Europe, we've long believed it has huge potential, and yet it has failed dismally to exploit it. Suppose it became our own version of a Charter City - minimum wage and working hours regulations abolished, social benefits for working age citizens abolished (maybe a 5 year phased withdrawal), central government economic and planning and regulations abolished, no more central government development assistance but a 10% flat rate income tax, 10% Corporation Tax rate, and no capital gains tax.

Public spending as a percentage of GDP would obviously fall sharply, and those that depend on public spending would certainly feel the squeeze (although welfare recipients could be given the option of staying on benefit if they relocated outside the City). But against that, Hull would attract entrepreneurs and private investment on an unprecedented scale - and with its easy European access, much of the inflow would come from overseas. There would soon be jobs for all."

What this kind of thinking amounts to looks to me like another variant on the zombie economics of the untrammelled free-market. Full-employment is also a chimera these days, as global market competition typically interacts with technological innovation to give us an essentially unstable, anarchic world economy. Charter cities or special zones of investment would be no more insulated from future convulsions and mutations of global free trade than anywhere else, and the lack of welfare benefits, which would surely be minimal, would probably make these places just as bad to live in as they are now.

It is also worth noting that off-the-leash capitalism of this kind is always corrosive of social cohesion, so that crime and incarceration rates increase, with the USA being the prime example. I only have figures dating back to 1997 but back then, by the start of that year, around one in fifty adult American males was behind bars and one in twenty was on parole or probation.

This is something that Tory voters don't seem to grasp. The higher crime rates that follow-on from the imposition of neoliberal policies (which inevitably include cuts to public services and welfare) are usually met with an exasperated 'this country is going to the dogs' response and demands that the government should resort to still more punitive measures and get 'tough on crime'.

Presumably, that is why 'the rule of law would be paramount'.

Sounds like a prescription for turning Hull and other places into something like Mega-City One, with Judge Dredd marauding around.

The dystopian shithole that is Shenzhen in mainland China but close to Hong Kong would be a better point of comparison.
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Bloody economic refugees from Hull coming here stealing our jobs.
 
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