The market reaction may be over the top but the damage it has cause is very real. You say you don't really like the Tories or brexit but the fact remains they have caused untold damage over the last few weeks and It wasn't unforseen either Rishi Sunak told them word for word what exactly would happen and might as well be fucking nostradamus of the modern age ! Or perhaps he's not an absolute moron and knows his onions. He was laughed at, sneered at because all those greedy, incompetent Tory cunts saw was the opportunity to cash in because of Truss and her ridiculous promise of tax cuts ! Saddling the nation with more debt than it could handle. There's no whataboutery right now. They screwed up, then doubled down then napalmed it.
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BobKowalski
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The market reaction may be over the top but the damage it has cause is very real. You say you don't really like the Tories or brexit but the fact remains they have caused untold damage over the last few weeks and It wasn't unforseen either Rishi Sunak told them word for word what exactly would happen and might as well be fucking nostradamus of the modern age ! Or perhaps he's not an absolute moron and knows his onions. He was laughed at, sneered at because all those greedy, incompetent Tory cunts saw was the opportunity to cash in because of Truss and her ridiculous promise of tax cuts ! Saddling the nation with more debt than it could handle. There's no whataboutery right now. They screwed up, then doubled down then napalmed it.
Way to end a post...almost a work of art.
“They screwed up, then doubled down then napalmed it.”
M18CTID
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On top of the detail...
That is truly staggering if she's come out with that
The Light Was Yellow Sir
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The NHS and it’s ‘failings’ will be the news story for the next month or two. Move to an insurance funded model and you’ve paid for your tax cuts. Get some non Tory voting poor old people to shuffle off the mortal coil early and you save on pensions. Renege on the triple lock and benefit increase linked to inflation, and you’ve ’saved’ money. I’d expect some or all these in the November statememt from the people who seem oblivious as to how much government spending can fuel growth, if done the right way.The fucking media in this country would be leading the revolution had a Labour government tried to implement an ideological book such as to the Communist manifesto on the nation.
It seems ok to implement Brittania Unchained page by page.
Cunts.
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SilverFox2
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Last para says it for me.The market reaction has been a long time coming. Denying economic reality has been a feature, not a bug, of recent Tory administrations. Truss decided to double down on denial, hence the market reaction.
This reaction has also rendered the Truss plan for growth moot. You want to grow the economy? Then offer regulatory and financial stability, good trade relations with your nearest markets, and invest in infrastructure and people.
Finally, never again should the country be subjected to a leader chosen by an unrepresentative and tiny section of the population. We saw the result of that decision on Friday.
Unfortunately that process implies a need to please the people who chose you above others.
Great at Company level but not Country level.
I wish you nothing but a life of misery. Cheerio cunty.FWIW chaps, I think I am going to bow out of this thread. I am sure many of you will say good riddance.
But it's just too tiring and frankly a dirty great big waste of EVERYONE's time. I am not a massive supporter of the Tories, contrary to what many of you must think. Merely of most Tory idealogy and principles, like the state taking the minimum amount off money of people and not meddling with peoples' lives more than the absolute minimum.
I am certainly not saying the latest mini budget has been a huge success (only an idiot would say that, and I am not an idiot). It's been handled terribly badly by Truss and Kwasi whatever his name is. I've been critical of several aspects of it. But I do think the markets have grossly overreacted and I think everything will calm down in due course. Although he was hugely critical of how it was handled, Martin Lewis said this morning "who knows, it might work". I suspect he knows a thing or two than most on here.
Unfortunately, I am a lone voice here and it's just too tiring arguing with people; some informed, some intelligent and some morons with no fucking clue. The endless jibes from the latter group wore thin about 12 years ago.
There is absolutely fuck all any of you (or me) can do to change anything. So howl at the moon to your hearts' content if it makes you feel better - as I guess it must because you've spent 2,424 pages doing it.
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That is truly staggering if she's come out with that
BobKowalski
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Interest rates of 6%, and everyone will blame Truss and Kwarteng. Talk about politically illiterate. Jeez.
Len Rum
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The'plan' is not clear and obvious because they didn't produce one - that of course would have been the OBR forecast.Haha, join the club mate. Total waste of time trying to provide a different perspective. It's not the £350 billion cost of lockdown or the £150 billion cost of the energy cap, both of which were strongly supported by the lefty types on here, it was the miniscule cost of the top rate tax cut that screwed the economy. Not just ours, the Yen has collapsed, the Euro is also at a record low against the dollar, that's one hell of a global effect for a tax cut that cost a few billion quid in one country.
The plan is clear and obvious, provide a business friendly low tax environment to promote growth and hopefully stave off a potentially disastrous recession that is looming. I don't think people have grasped the dire situation we are in across the West, which is why radical action is necessary. I guess it's easier just to call people cunts and blame them for the global shitshow. In fact, our debt to gdp ratio is 6th out of the 7 G7 nations, only one below us is Germany, and they're even more screwed than we are and Winter is coming. If they go into recession, the entire pack of debt leveraged cards could come tumbling. Where we go from there, fuck knows.
This is one of the reasons the market reacted badly.
You mention support for the energy bills. There was widespread support from the public for taxing the energy companies but instead they have chosen to add on a potential whopping 150bn to the national debt.
The lifting of the bankers bonuses and the lowering of the 50% tax rate is unnecessary and politically is a disaster.
Also why announce the 1% General tax cut now? It doesn't take effect until April 2023.
So even if you agree with the aspiration you have to be competent and politically savvy to achieve it.
This lot are neither.
Total clusterfuck.
Chippy is already in your club. It's a club of cunts.Haha, join the club mate. Total waste of time trying to provide a different perspective. It's not the £350 billion cost of lockdown or the £150 billion cost of the energy cap, both of which were strongly supported by the lefty types on here, it was the miniscule cost of the top rate tax cut that screwed the economy. Not just ours, the Yen has collapsed, the Euro is also at a record low against the dollar, that's one hell of a global effect for a tax cut that cost a few billion quid in one country.
The plan is clear and obvious, provide a business friendly low tax environment to promote growth and hopefully stave off a potentially disastrous recession that is looming. I don't think people have grasped the dire situation we are in across the West, which is why radical action is necessary. I guess it's easier just to call people cunts and blame them for the global shitshow. In fact, our debt to gdp ratio is 6th out of the 7 G7 nations, only one below us is Germany, and they're even more screwed than we are and Winter is coming. If they go into recession, the entire pack of debt leveraged cards could come tumbling. Where we go from there, fuck knows.
babyape
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She’s already been written to and warned about saying it previously. She fucking knows.That is truly staggering if she's come out with that
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Wonder if it could be used in a court if someone wouldn’t pay anymore than £2500 and their energy supplier took them to court.She’s already been written to and warned about saying it previously. She fucking knows.
Chippy_boy
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Says it all, doesn't it.I wish you nothing but a life of misery. Cheerio cunty.
M18CTID
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Thanks. It seems she tried to cover herself by using the word "typical" in her numerous interviews this morning but that's misleading as fuck as most "typical" households will pay more than £2500. The usage figures OFGEM use to come up with that £2500 price cap figure aren't worth a fucking wank for any family with one or more kids. I'm sure Truss knows this but she's basically gaslighting huge swathes of the population into believing they'll pay no more than £2500.
And the backing from their billionaires who own their press.No I've been wracking my brains but can't come up with anyone credible either. The centrist element of the Tory party has been underestimating/misreading the right since the days of Thatcher's leadership campaign and that complacency means they now in effect find themselves purged. I think it's been easier to subvert the Conservatives compared to Labour, partly because of the level of backing they've had but also due to the nature of their membership and their structure.
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The fucking media in this country would be leading the revolution had a Labour government tried to implement an ideological book such as to the Communist manifesto on the nation.
It seems ok to implement Brittania Unchained page by page.
Cunts.
We can't protest because that's illegal, the media all sing to the govns tune. They've got us sewn up as much as putin has with his people
Yes. I don't tend to wish goodwill onto people who show no empathy whatsoever to those who are genuinely worried about their future and instead double down in their defence of a government who are the cause of said worry.Says it all, doesn't it.
Out of interest, what did you make of the several interviews that took place this morning with the PM? Does she strike you as somebody with the answers or actually understanding of the general publics fears? To me she sounded like somebody so out of their depth they may as well have just dragged in a passer by off the street.
The PM!! The fucking leader of the country!! An absolute embarrassment.