Ref Watch

I once went to a training course. Howard Webb said the bigger the game the more you have to crack down early & blow for every little foul. Now Anthony Taylor went against this from the off. It is utterly bizarre that he gave none of these little niggles until City scored. After that he reverted to giving nothing.
 
Don't worry lads & lasses, MotD said that the officials said our goal would've been chalked off for the foul on Alisson anyway. So I guess that makes it all right.
That was the narrative they'd been fed by the PL/PiGMOL, not their opinion as far as I could make out.

In the context of the game as a whole (given the fouls that had been let go up to, and after that point) a perfectly good goal was ruled out and another good game of football marred yet again because of glaring inconsistencies with the way VAR is implemented in the PL.

It is NOT a level playing field and VAR in its current guise is not fit for purpose despite what the apologists on here keep spouting. The PiGMOL have had 3 YEARS to get this right and they are still getting basic decisions wrong.
 
I once went to a training course. Howard Webb said the bigger the game the more you have to crack down early & blow for every little foul. Now Anthony Taylor went against this from the off. It is utterly bizarre that he gave none of these little niggles until City scored. After that he reverted to giving nothing.
Taylor didn't give the foul. He was looking right at the play and he waived it on. He was clearly instructed to give that as a foul by someone else off the field.
 
Trouble is mate they are getting them 100% correct in their own eyes.

Manipulation of outcomes and results is going just fine thanks.
That is my opinion also, but I'm trying to stick to what I saw because as soon as you mention the fact that the PL (and football in general) might actually be corrupt certain posters seem to get a bit tetchy about it.
 
If that shirt pull is a foul, and we want consistency, I expect every corner kick to result in either a free kick or a penalty.

So the general rule of thumb is we turn a blind eye to minor infringements unless it results in a goal.
 
If that shirt pull is a foul, and we want consistency, I expect every corner kick to result in either a free kick or a penalty.

So the general rule of thumb is we turn a blind eye to minor infringements unless it results in a goal.
The INITIAL foul was on Haaland, and he grabbed the shirt to steady himself. The Freeze-frame shown on TV does not show the full content of the incident.
 
PiGMOL have instructed their muppets to ignore 'minor' infringements and to allow the game to flow. In practise this means that, unless there is dangerous play, if a player is fouled but possession is retained in most instances it is play on. The problem with that is we are a 'possession' team and therefore we are bound to have the most 'fouls' overlooked. Consequently it always looks as if we are hard done by.
 
None of the other shirt pulls were in the lead up to goals and so weren’t checked.
That doesn't really matter. Taylor told both teams he would be dealing leniently with minor infringements in order to improve the flow of the game. And that tactic worked. But he can't then change that directive just because a goal was scored. It makes a mockery of his whole referreeing performance.

He set a standard for the game, and all players adapted to it. VAR might have been correct to highlight a foul in the lead up to the goal, but Taylor also should have had the courage to allow the goal, because it aligned with the way he managed the game.

I think he's a good referee, but he sure makes a good number of questionable decisions against us.
 
I don’t know as it didn’t happen.

Conspiracy theorists would suggest that it definitely wouldn’t have been, but with little evidence apart from gut feel.

well, there’s always the handball that should have been a penalty for City 3 seasons ago that led to a Liverpool goal being scored at the other end. That was chalked off.

Then there’s the failure to give Milner a second yellow card last season.

and there’s the failure to give Suarez a second yellow for obvious simulation a few years before.

plus many others.

there’s actually quite a substantial body of evidence that suggests that LFC get the benefit of these decisions

still, we know how you like to go against the flow
 
That doesn't really matter. Taylor told both teams he would be dealing leniently with minor infringements in order to improve the flow of the game. And that tactic worked. But he can't then change that directive just because a goal was scored. It makes a mockery of his whole referreeing performance.

He set a standard for the game, and all players adapted to it. VAR might have been correct to highlight a foul in the lead up to the goal, but Taylor also should have had the courage to allow the goal, because it aligned with the way he managed the game.

I think he's a good referee, but he sure makes a good number of questionable decisions against us.
A 'good' referee doesn't make questionable decisions. A good referee applies the LotG without fear or favour. I live in hope that one eventually turns up to referee our games.
 
Having contemplated it for a few hours, I can’t really class this as an awful or even a poor refereeing display. I think on balance he was fair to us. He gave the goal, it’s not his fault if some pedantic twat in the VAR truck was scouring the footage for a reason, any little reason, to disallow it.
It's Taylor's fault he didn't have the courage to stick with his own instructions and game plan.
 
There were some shocking VAR calls made this week, not just our game, the sooner conversations can be heard the better. Interesting that a minor tug of the shirt that somehow managed to knock over a 6ft2 athlete is considered a foul but two pushes on Bernardo in a matter of seconds down in their corner were ok. You can't change the way you ref half way through the game, all fans and teams just want consistency throughout.
 
There were some shocking VAR calls made this week, not just our game, the sooner conversations can be heard the better. Interesting that a minor tug of the shirt that somehow managed to knock over a 6ft2 athlete is considered a foul but two pushes on Bernardo in a matter of seconds down in their corner were ok. You can't change the way you ref half way through the game, all fans and teams just want consistency throughout.
If we can have another goal chalked off on Saturday that'd three in a row - does that count as a hat trick?
 
In the context of the whole game that VAR decision was an abomination, and the point you made above reference the referral of fouls is PRECICELY the reason that VAR in its current guise is NOT fit for purpose.
The VAR operates from Stockley Park, so probably wasn't in on the referee's briefing to the teams before the game. So if they saw a foul in the build up, they were probably correct to refer it to Taylor.

Taylor then had to decide whether or not he missed the foul in the lead up to the goal, or if he made a clear and obvious error of judgement by not penalising the foul.

He didn't miss anything - he was right in the thick of the action. It wasn't an error at all to not penalise the foul, because it was the same level of contact that had been acceptable throughout the game.

Taylor should have said thanks for alerting me to that, but it is entirely consistent with everything else that had happened in this game, the players are aware of my instructions, I have not made a mistake, and the goal stands. He could say this to the VAR, they could tell the studio and the world, and we would be a goal up with the decision explained away.

This is another example of Taylor being weak when he should have the courage of his convictions and remain strong.
 
Don't worry lads & lasses, MotD said that the officials said our goal would've been chalked off for the foul on Alisson anyway. So I guess that makes it all right.
So VAR are effectively saying that Taylor missed two incidents in the build up to the goal that, in their opinion, should have been acted upon?. Either Taylor’s incompetent or there’s a huge disparity in the threshold level Taylor applied ‘on field’ and the level VAR chose to apply ‘off field’. That clearly isn’t right and it’s no surprise managers, players and fans get frustrated. Is there some consultation pre-match between referee, VAR officials and the infamous ‘match commander’ to ensure that all parties understand the general approach the referee intends to take with regard to physical contact so that one doesn’t undermine the other?
 
There were some shocking VAR calls made this week, not just our game, the sooner conversations can be heard the better. Interesting that a minor tug of the shirt that somehow managed to knock over a 6ft2 athlete is considered a foul but two pushes on Bernardo in a matter of seconds down in their corner were ok. You can't change the way you ref half way through the game, all fans and teams just want consistency throughout.
All this ‘flow of the game’ is just an excuse to allow the officials to dictate the wat the game goes. Allowing them to decide what is minor and which isn’t is what is leading to dissent and abuse at referees. Nobody knows what is going on and what is allowed and what isn’t.

As many have mentioned already, what everyone wants is consistency in how the rules are applied. We don’t have that between the VAR official and the referee even.
 
The INITIAL foul was on Haaland, and he grabbed the shirt to steady himself. The Freeze-frame shown on TV does not show the full content of the incident.
Agreed, they’re holding/fending each other off, fair game in the heat of battle, it’s what replays Taylor was shown that bothers me, if he watched a replay in real time a couple of frames before the incident I’m sure he would’ve come to the same conclusion as his on field decision, it was six of one half a dozen of t’other and in fact he only had hold of his shirt for a second, not the five seconds it feels like when watching it in super slow Mo
 

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