The Conservative Party

[Gabriel]

I so hope you’re wrong, mate.

As do I, but history suggests that would happen.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

As do I, but history suggests that would happen.

The last few years have thrown a lot of historical precedents out of the window.

 

[meltonblue]

A general election isn’t the answer to the problem. The electoral system itself is the problem.

Whilst I agree with this, I can’t see it changing any time soon. Labour won’t support electoral reform regardless of what the membership vote for as moving to pr will be the death of them as a party, can’t see a Labour leader willingly letting that happen, at least not one like Starmer.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

72 to abstain, 36 to vote with the opposition.

Braverman or Patel only if the members got a say which won't happen.They can't find a unity candidate as they are not united, and it's hard to say how much disunity would be involved in choosing between Hunt, Wallace and Mordaunt. I suspect Sunak is the only obvious choice as he was MPs' choice before.

Think they better had appoint Sunak as he appears to be capable of torpedoing anyone else who becomes prime minister.

Appointing Sunak would alienate 65% of the Tory supporters.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Whilst I agree with this, I can’t see it changing any time soon. Labour won’t support electoral reform regardless of what the membership vote for as moving to pr will be the death of them as a party, can’t see a Labour leader willingly letting that happen, at least not one like Starmer.

Then the whole fuckung merry go round will continue, as will our decline as a nation.

 

[Gabriel]

Appointing Sunak would alienate 65% of the Tory supporters.

Do you mean the membership? Keeping Truss may appease them for now, but if they can’t see an existential crisis looming for their party if she remains, then they might need a little less G and a lot more T. The platform on which she stood on and won has been obliterated in weeks, so she’s now no more than a figurehead, and that’s King Charles’ job.

 

[mancityvstoke]

Fuck politics......pigs in a trough at our expense

 

[meltonblue]

Then the whole fuckung merry go round will continue, as will our decline as a nation.

The merry go round will. Whether the decline will depends on your opinion of Starmer and what you think he’ll do.

He’ll at least bring us back more centrally. I can’t see the decline being really reversed until we start reversing the damage of brexit though and im not sure even electoral reform will bring that for a while yet.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The merry go round will. Whether the decline will depends on your opinion of Starmer and what you think he’ll do.

He’ll at least bring us back more centrally. I can’t see the decline being really reversed until we start reversing the damage of brexit though and im not sure even electoral reform will bring that for a while yet.

Repairing the damage of Brexit and electoral reform aren’t mutually exclusive.

 

[meltonblue]

Repairing the damage of Brexit and electoral reform aren’t mutually exclusive.

They’re not but it would significantly increase the likelihood. Currently the two main parties position on it are different to big parts of their membership, labour increasingly so.

 

[BobKowalski]

No, sadly. The Conservative Party are all about self-preservation rather than the greater national good, and turkeys don’t vote for Christmas. We’re stuck with these clowns until 24/25 unfortunately.

On the face of it, yes, but right now we have Hunt swanning around as de facto PM and Truss sitting in a bunker somewhere and that isn’t sustainable and every Tory MP knows it.

So, Truss resigns or is forced out, and then what? Another PM is coronated without going to the membership, and another Chancellor is appointed as we head to a world of pain with higher prices, higher mortgage rates, higher taxes and the axe taken to public services and public pay, because no matter who the next Tory PM/Chancellor combo is, it Is the markets who are running our economy.

There is literally, no world in which this situation can last. A Govt without authority or credibility and little public support is barely going to make to 2023 let alone 2024.

 

[andyhinch]

On the face of it, yes, but right now we have Hunt swanning around as de facto PM and Truss sitting in a bunker somewhere and that isn’t sustainable and every Tory MP knows it.

So, Truss resigns or is forced out, and then what? Another PM is coronated without going to the membership, and another Chancellor is appointed as we head to a world of pain with higher prices, higher mortgage rates, higher taxes and the axe taken to public services and public pay, because no matter who the next Tory PM/Chancellor combo is, it Is the markets who are running our economy.

There is literally, no world in which this situation can last. A Govt without authority or credibility and little public support is barely going to make to 2023 let alone 2024.

Which ever way you look at things were in for a world of pain for the next few years

 

[mat]

Speaker of the house is too scared to beat these fuckers down in case he loses his peerage.

For the umpteenth time a major announcement affecting the whole country is being released to the press first over parliament.

 

[domalino]

Just got a BBC alert that Hunt is going to axe the energy bill support?

That's literally the one popular policy they have and made up the bulk of their talking points at the conference last week.

 

[mat]

Just got a BBC alert that Hunt is going to axe the energy bill support?

That's literally the one popular policy they have and made up the bulk of their talking points at the conference last week.

I bet he doesn't put the cap back on bankers bonuses.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Whilst I agree with this, I can’t see it changing any time soon. Labour won’t support electoral reform regardless of what the membership vote for as moving to pr will be the death of them as a party, can’t see a Labour leader willingly letting that happen, at least not one like Starmer.

Except that’s likely not true. It would be the death of the Tories, who’d be gone from the political landscape for decades, no doubt.
A social democratIc centre left coalition is exactly what’s needed and one that should be actively pursued by all parties that aren’t the Tories.
The big unknown in PR terms is how many more people would vote, as their vote would actually mean something, likely making things even worse for the Tories. What Labour should be focussing on is delivering for the country and that, for me at least, is keeping these shysters out of office for as long as possible!
Prior to the 2019 election, which was an anomaly for all the known reasons, 14 million voters were in seats that hadn’t changed hands since world war 2, while 11 Labour and 54 Conservative seats haven’t changed party hands in over a century. Clearly this is nonsensical and leads to a huge democratic deficit.

 

[Gabriel]

Just got a BBC alert that Hunt is going to axe the energy bill support?

That's literally the one popular policy they have and made up the bulk of their talking points at the conference last week.

Is it not the case that it is being scaled back in its duration as opposed to its entirety? Rather comical if they scale it back to six months, as per Labour's policy.

 

[didsburyblu]

Is it not the case that it is being scaled back in its duration as opposed to its entirety? Rather comical if they scale it back to six months, as per Labour's policy.

And scale it back in line with labour's plan is exactly what they've done

 

[mat]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-63278993

Austerity part 2 - Coming soon

 

[Nethermoor]

So they're not scrapping the 45p tax and keeping it but also keeping lower rate at 20p and not 19p.

Scaling back energy support, so uncertainty really. We have this winter then no one knows what the future looks like for the working man.