Rishi Sunak

Gaudion M said:
I would not go that far.

To be honest I had more concern re the tory system where 'members' got a vote. A member is anyone in the world willing to send them £25. That is seriously wrong and needs looking at. At least with MPs deciding they were elected and that is all we ever get to vote on.

There should be some minimum standard on these things - being an eligible voter would be a start.
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Agree with both. It’s a bizarre system and on the face of it anti-democratic. But, it is our system, parliamentary democracy - we vote for an MP, not a PM. And I would rather MPs or the parliamentary parties vote for their leader than leaving it up to party members or trade unions. At least it means we’re not always stuck with a loon for a cycle as was the case with Trump.

The bigger issue for me is the seeming lack of quality in the House of Commons. As Charles Walker said other day, it’s full of short term thinkers with an ambition which their talent doesn’t know how to achieve.
 
Zinchilla said:
That’s not what I said and please don’t twist my comments to suit yours. I simply pointed out that he contributed to the dogs dinner we’re all tucking into; that shouldn’t be forgotten.
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Who's forgetting it? He certainly did contribute to the mess the UK is in at the moment. And I apologise if you think I've twisted your comments. But, as I said earlier, it's in everybody's interest that the UK economy is turned around. Even people like myself, who don't live in the UK. Ireland does a huge amount business with the UK. We need Britain to be financially stable. And I don't give a flying fuck what party does it.
 
Oh how we danced to their merry go round all summer …….at least they’ve finally got the outcome they engineered so well following the coup d'état of Johnson and his regime and throwing Liz the lettuce under the Brexit bus…

Can they genuinely get behind him as PM ? Personally I don’t think they can…but let’s see. I firmly believe this lot need at least a term or two out of power to sort their shit out….unelectable currently.
 
In a time of great economic stress, I’m still not convinced that anointing an ex-banker and one of the richest men in Britain to oversee our pain is going to play well :)
 
urban genie said:
As a public servant his party should come second to the publics wishes, which after the truss fuckwittery is for a General Election.

Of course as tories are all about money and power he will do what isn't in the nations interest
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What exactly do you think a general election might achieve?

I'd take a few months of someone doing something, anything for a change, without elections leadership contests bluffing bluster or hollow rhetoric, myself.
 
Coatigan said:
What exactly do you think a general election might achieve?

I'd take a few months of someone doing something, anything for a change, without elections leadership contests bluffing bluster or hollow rhetoric, myself.
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A general election is fair as part of our democracy , surprised you need to ask that question
 
urban genie said:
As a public servant his party should come second to the publics wishes, which after the truss fuckwittery is for a General Election.

Of course as tories are all about money and power he will do what isn't in the nations interest
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Apparently not. According to all Tory MPs who have been interviewed of late, they all say a GE is the last thing the public wants.

I must have been out when they canvassed our street
 
kaz7 said:
A general election is fair as part of our democracy , surprised you need to ask that question
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Is it?

Even so, have we not had one not that long ago, will we never have another?

Ok insert 'now' into my question, if it wasn't clear.
 
Octavian said:
Well he’s just been Chancellor for the last 2 years in the middle of the most difficult time in the modern era and overall saved millions of businesses and jobs, he predicted Truss’s “fairy tale” economics disaster and he’s polished and young.

Other than that there’s not much else.

But I’d rather we talked about his policies and what he’s going to do/done already than the fact he’s brown.

It doesn’t matter what is skin colour is.
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Yes, it absolutely doesn’t matter and I hope things move on.

With regards to what he’s done in the past - though he wasn’t alone in predicting the disaster of Truss/Kwarteng - as a pointer for the future, let’s see. I hope we don’t go from shockingly bad to even worse and things improve. It’s a serious job - obviously - lives are at stake, and it needs serious people. Then hopefully a more serious government and perhaps a more up to date serious constitution will follow.
 
Octavian said:
Is there anything stopping Russia or China spending a good whack to choose British PM’s tho?

Surely they would have to be a verified and registered UK citizen?
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russia and china don't need to choose a party leader, they can directly infuence our governments has been ahown by the tories refusing to admit how much rusian donors have donated and keep stum on jollies on yachts
 
I mean he has fuck all mandate and there really should be a general election now. Having said that I’m glad we can at least have a few months without a complete fucking idiot in charge.
 
jimharri said:
Who's forgetting it? He certainly did contribute to the mess the UK is in at the moment. And I apologise if you think I've twisted your comments. But, as I said earlier, it's in everybody's interest that the UK economy is turned around. Even people like myself, who don't live in the UK. Ireland does a huge amount business with the UK. We need Britain to be financially stable. And I don't give a flying fuck what party does it.
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Agree with all that - apart from the last sentence! ;)
 
Coatigan said:
What exactly do you think a general election might achieve?

I'd take a few months of someone doing something, anything for a change, without elections leadership contests bluffing bluster or hollow rhetoric, myself.
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Tories have been in power for twelve years, are on their fifth PM in six years and the job of Chancellor is a carousel. They have also run out of ideas and talent. Sunak in normal times would be a junior minister at best.

All Govts run out of steam and end up eating themselves. It’s an ex-Govt, it joined the choir invisible months ago. It is a deceased Govt. Time to put it out of its misery.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
His economic plans were the opposite of LIz Truss and we know how that should have panned out
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They clearly weren't the opposite.

He also said that he would cut taxes, and that public services would face rough times.

The main difference was that he said he would wait till inflation went down before cutting taxes. Truss crashed the markets not with excessively crazy policies, but by going fast with the tax cuts from even more borrowing. He has similar economic plans, but isn't quite as gung ho - hardly the opposite.
 
Coatigan said:
What exactly do you think a general election might achieve?

I'd take a few months of someone doing something, anything for a change, without elections leadership contests bluffing bluster or hollow rhetoric, myself.
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So it's ok for this cycle of fucking about the tories have been doing the last 2 years to continue, for them to just carry on regardless?

They were voted in on a manifesto and mandate, one leader just tried to rup that up, this ine may well do the same.

One leadership change because of skulldugery and shenanigans from Johnson fair enough, another change because a minority chose an idiot who couldn't last two months and the electorate should have a say.

You think the chancelor that sent us down this economic crisis is gonna make things better, nah I don't
 
urban genie said:
It's entirely correct and democratic for a party leader to be chosen by it's members, if you pay your dues then that is your right, whether you should have to be a memeber for a certain time to stop mass membership runs to affect that vote is down to each partys constitution

The Prime minster, however, especially the third one in a parliaments life cylce shoypd be chosen by the nations not a group of self serving MPs
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I would fully agree with you that the membership should choose a leader when a party is not in power. When it is in power that leader is Prime Minister and a change of PM should be based on what either the voting public or representatives of the voting public want. It is entirely appropriate that MPs should select the leader if a general election is not held. It is entirely inappropriate and undemocratic for members to select a leader that automatically becomes PM.
 
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