Bury Thread

[stonerblue]

The merge is pointless and bury FC have folded gone and only live in name alone, so let them R.I.P

Fuck me you're putting some effort into slagging off lower league footy and Bury. Mostly bollox as well.

 

[ancoats]

Fuck me you're putting some effort into slagging off lower league footy and Bury. Mostly bollox as well.

All I've said is the people of bury don't care enough and bury FC no longer play football
Manchester city even offered them the use of our old training ground for free, and they fuck that up by not paying the running bills, if they went and asked for help and still fuck it up, then they don't deserve any more chances

Manchester city club and fans were always giving them help and playing friendly games, even once put up a seat sale for £10, and we did our bit again. Time was up, the bury people had to help once last chance and it did not come

football change because of covid-19, but bury troubles started long before covid-19
it's now better run football clubs with or without backers running the club's in the right way and not looking for others to help out, they cut their cloth without looking loaning assets,

I hope somebody will buy bury and build a very good run club working within its means of around 3 to 4 thousand fans turning up paying to watch, but I don't see it

 

[JOGAMIGMOG]

Because that's the individual rules of each organisation. Both have to vote for the merger as a YES/YES.

Yes obviously but why set it at 66% YES when 51% YES equates to a majority? I don’t get it.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

Yes obviously but why set it at 66% YES when 51% YES equates to a majority? I don’t get it.

It’s quite common in referendums to specify a certain margin so that people can’t query the legitimacy of the result. I remember a vote once that ended up at 51.8% and it caused no end of problems.

 

[JOGAMIGMOG]

It’s quite common in referendums to specify a certain margin so that people can’t query the legitimacy of the result. I remember a vote once that ended up at 51.8% and it caused no end of problems.

Haha. And Brexit went ahead! So in this vote more than 51.8% agree the clubs should merge and yet it doesn’t go ahead! It’s bonkers. The majority of Bury folk want the merger and want football back at Gigg Lane and yet the votes of a minority are scuppering the entire shebang! Can’t believe what’s going on and am genuinely gutted for Bury FC and all who love it.

 

[gouldybob]

Yes obviously but why set it at 66% YES when 51% YES equates to a majority? I don’t get it.

Each entity is a Mutual Society and the rules of the individual societies state that 66% of that society must vote in favour of a motion for it to pass. Not sure if the final decision was made by attendance at the EGM with the initial polling just getting it on the ballot paper. Either way you can't look at at the two ballots as a whole otherwise the strong turnout at AFC would override the democratic process of another wholly independent organisation.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

Haha. And Brexit went ahead! So in this vote more than 51.8% agree the clubs should merge and yet it doesn’t go ahead! It’s bonkers. The majority of Bury folk want the merger and want football back at Gigg Lane and yet the votes of a minority are scuppering the entire shebang! Can’t believe what’s going on and am genuinely gutted for Bury FC and all who love it.

AFC Bury have a good base and level of support and if they get back to Gigg that support will probably increase so they have a future. Not sure about the other group.

 

[JOGAMIGMOG]

The whole thing is a complete debacle. Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas! Somehow and I don’t know how, they HAVE to just merge anyway. Can’t the ‘board’ of Bury FC say to the AFC club, ‘right lads next year we don’t mind you playing home games at Gigg Lane - oh and we don’t mind if you change your name to Bury FC whilst you’re at it’
Sure, it may piss off those few hundred who didn’t want the merger but they’re still going to get 3000+ fans.

 

[gouldybob]

Haha. And Brexit went ahead! So in this vote more than 51.8% agree the clubs should merge and yet it doesn’t go ahead! It’s bonkers. The majority of Bury folk want the merger and want football back at Gigg Lane and yet the votes of a minority are scuppering the entire shebang! Can’t believe what’s going on and am genuinely gutted for Bury FC and all who love it.

But a majority of Bury folk haven't commented on the merger, just 1% of the boroughs population. Ask them if they want £450,000 of leveling up funding to be put into this.

Using Brexit is a bad example as it was one question to one society (us) with a first past the post rule.

If the boards of City and United put a vote to merge out there and United's 184 million social media followers said yes and our 108 million said no then on your basis we'd merge. But done as individual societies we wouldn't as one party doesn't want to.

It's not bonkers it's the democratic process for each legal entity..

 

[KearsleyBlue]

Totally unrelated but has anyone been to the neuven stadium where these and radcliffe play? It's just down the road from me and I want to visit. Is it all seated? My 2 little ones get restless sitting down into the 2nd half. At other local grounds like Atherton , Prestwich and daisy hill there's bits of space and grass etc that they can mess about in while the games on. Anything like that here?

 

[roman totale]

Totally unrelated but has anyone been to the neuven stadium where these and radcliffe play? It's just down the road from me and I want to visit. Is it all seated? My 2 little ones get restless sitting down into the 2nd half. At other local grounds like Atherton , Prestwich and daisy hill there's bits of space and grass etc that they can mess about in while the games on. Anything like that here?

Seated behind the top goal (ground has quite a slope from end to end). Rest is hard standing/ terracing. There used to be some free grassy area behind the bottom goal, but it looks like it’s all developed, or fenced off nowadays.
Others may know better. I’ve not been there in person for several years.

 

[WNRH]

Bury have always been a weird football club. Gigg Lane gave the impression that they were a big club but they aren’t. They are League Two at best, National League at worst.

They complain about no investment then invite a shyster in with a new revolution then they get the buckets out again. Last time they found the wrong shyster.

 

[LongsightM13]

AFC Bury have a good base and level of support and if they get back to Gigg that support will probably increase so they have a future. Not sure about the other group.

The AFC lot wanted to keep a team going to rep the town and for their kids to have someone to support. The plan was aways to merge if GiggLane could be saved and if processes were put in place so a gangster could never steal their club’s existence ever again.
The other mob, with no players, team or league place are fully to blame here imo

 

[daveoswald]

Very hard for clubs like Bury and Stockport to progress the majority of the kids their either support City or Utd, Areas like prestwich /whitefield although in the borough of bury are in reality north Manchester suburbs, same with the heatons, Stockport,

 

[es1]

Seated behind the top goal (ground has quite a slope from end to end). Rest is hard standing/ terracing. There used to be some free grassy area behind the bottom goal, but it looks like it’s all developed, or fenced off nowadays.
Others may know better. I’ve not been there in person for several years.

No you're (pretty much) right! There's a small section of seetinv behind the lower goal, standing down both sides with the 'big' stand at the top. Away fans tend to congregate at the bottom end.

 

[radcliffe1309]

Seated behind the top goal (ground has quite a slope from end to end). Rest is hard standing/ terracing. There used to be some free grassy area behind the bottom goal, but it looks like it’s all developed, or fenced off nowadays.
Others may know better. I’ve not been there in person for several years.

There's 2 seated stands one at each end, the facilities are very good now with a top playing surface and excellent clubhouse/bar facilities, some good games to see there both watching Radcliffe and AFC when City arnt playing, give it a go....

 

[stonerblue]

Totally unrelated but has anyone been to the neuven stadium where these and radcliffe play? It's just down the road from me and I want to visit. Is it all seated? My 2 little ones get restless sitting down into the 2nd half. At other local grounds like Atherton , Prestwich and daisy hill there's bits of space and grass etc that they can mess about in while the games on. Anything like that here?

Not all seater, you can even stand up with a pint.
Boro get decent crowds and lots of kids go. There's no space around the pitch but they do have training pitches on other side of clubhouse that the kids can run around on.

 

[City Hobgoblin]

But a majority of Bury folk haven't commented on the merger, just 1% of the boroughs population. Ask them if they want £450,000 of leveling up funding to be put into this.

Using Brexit is a bad example as it was one question to one society (us) with a first past the post rule.

If the boards of City and United put a vote to merge out there and United's 184 million social media followers said yes and our 108 million said no then on your basis we'd merge. But done as individual societies we wouldn't as one party doesn't want to.

It's not bonkers it's the democratic process for each legal entity..

The result is bonkers though, it doesn't reflect what the majority of people with an interest in football in Bury actually understand and think about the situation as it stands, and how to go forward.

 

[bluenova]

I get what you are saying but i also get the need to fight for your club and hope for a miracle until the very end and not just fucking off to another club, its a tough one and im not sure where this leaves them

This will be the fourth season that Bury FC haven't played football.

I believe that part of the plan involved AFC being able to change their name to Bury FC within a couple of seasons.

I can see why the animosity started, but in hindsight AFC clearly made the right decision. Even if Bury FC get sorted for next season, it'll be a totally new set up, probably at a lower level than AFC and, given the costs of Gigg Lane, a much more problematic financial position. Why that newly created team, coming back after all that time without football, would be more Bury than a club created by Bury fans the season after they left the League, and supported by thousands of Bury fans now is just sheer stubbornness.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Each entity is a Mutual Society and the rules of the individual societies state that 66% of that society must vote in favour of a motion for it to pass. Not sure if the final decision was made by attendance at the EGM with the initial polling just getting it on the ballot paper. Either way you can't look at at the two ballots as a whole otherwise the strong turnout at AFC would override the democratic process of another wholly independent organisation.

Same with the Premier League. Needs 14 clubs to push rules through rather than 11.