Ref Watch

Stephen230 said:
Well it seems a bit pointless replying to a post just to say you agree with it, so you’re probably right. Isn’t the whole point of a discussion forum, to debate points raised that you disagree with?
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I agree.
 
Stephen230 said:
Wasn’t he the VAR when Liverpool thought they were robbed at Arsenal a few weeks ago?
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Probably. He seems to get most of their games. My comments were mainly in relation to the failure to refer the penalty incident back to the referee for a second check. Plus the fact that he is building a pro-Liverpool reputation.
 
Paladin said:
Probably. He seems to get most of their games. My comments were mainly in relation to the failure to refer the penalty incident back to the referee for a second check. Plus the fact that he is building a pro-Liverpool reputation.
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To be fair everyone has a pro- Liverpool agenda according to some on here.

Conversely, Liverpool fans were kicking up a fuss that he was their VAR after the Arsenal game because he was clearly anti- Liverpool.

It’s almost as if fans of every club think there is a huge conspiracy against the club they happen to support.
 
Stephen230 said:
To be fair everyone has a pro- Liverpool agenda according to some on here.

Conversely, Liverpool fans were kicking up a fuss that he was their VAR after the Arsenal game because he was clearly anti- Liverpool.

It’s almost as if fans of every club think there is a huge conspiracy against the club they happen to support.
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That's what I mean when I say Darren England is building up a pro-Liverpool reputation. It's not just here though, other supporter groups are starting to notice it as well.

But I'm not forming my opinion based on what other supporters are saying. In other words, I am not subscribing to any so called agenda. I'm using hard evidence. Below are some instances from this year, of alleged incorrect VAR interventions leading to failure to dismiss Liverpool players, or failure to award penalty kicks against Liverpool, or disallowing goals scored against Liverpool.

Here are six interventions or lack of interventions from this year alone, that have directly benefited Liverpool, when Darren England has been VAR official. This is statistically significant. It raises two questions:

1. Why is Darren England appointed as VAR to so many Liverpool games?

2. Why are there so many controversial decisions that benefit Liverpool, with very few decisions that go against Liverpool?

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Liverpool ace Kelleher lucky as VAR lets referee down

Football Insider has been told by Keith Hackett that the referee was let down by VAR as controversial Caoimhin Kelleher footage emerges from Liverpool.
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Should Van Dijk have seen red? Lampard insists VAR made wrong call on Liverpool defender's studs-up challenge in derby draw | Goal.com

Everton boss Frank Lampard felt Liverpool's Virgil van Dijk should have been sent off in the Merseyside derby for a challenge on Amadou Onana.
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Richard Keys launches Trent Alexander-Arnold rant after fuming over Mikel Arteta

Trent Alexander-Arnold was involved in a contentious incident during Liverpool's 2-1 win over Tottenham on Sunday and Richard Keys believes he was lucky not to be sent off
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Liverpool profited from major injustice as Milner footage emerges

Football Insider has been told by Keith Hackett that Liverpool profited from a major injustice as controversial James Milner footage emerges.
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Everton deserved penalty v Liverpool - Keith Hackett

Keith Hackett has insisted that Everton should have had a penalty in their 2-0 defeat against Liverpool on Sunday afternoon.
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Owen & Benitez disagree as Liverpool benefit from Man City disallowed goal

Michael Owen and Rafa Benitez shared different views after Phil Foden's goal was ruled out during Liverpool's 1-0 win over Manchester City.
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Paladin said:
He should have asked the referee to review it today. The Sky pundit, a former professional Liverpool football player and manager said the referee would not have seen the push from his position behind play. He said from the side on camera view, there was a much clearer view of the push. So this was a case of the referee making a clear and obvious mistake, and he should at least have been asked to look again.

England is building up quite a reputation of being pro-Liverpool.
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Finally, someone making the right point.

Edit: Just to be clear, I mean that you can't blame the referee for not giving a penalty against Alexander-Arnold. From behind he couldn't see the arm movement that may have constituted a push. That could be seen from side-on, the angle VAR was looking at. We are meant to believe the ref communicates what he saw to VAR, and the VAR asks him to review if there was a clear and obvious error. If the ref thinks he sees "leaning in", which is apparently what he saw, and VAR can see an arm movement that may constitute a push, then he should ask the ref to review if that push movement was enough to warrant a penalty. He shouldn't be deciding that on his own. He isn't the referee. I think almost everyone believes that would have been the right call.

Now if the ref says he saw a push movement, but didn't think it was enough for a penalty, then VAR couldn't call it a clear and obvious error, as it's subjective.
 
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The refereeing in the Brentford game is one of the clearest examples of how officiating can influence matches.

We didn’t play well, to be sure, but that is how you referee a match to advantage one team and try to achieve a certain outcome.

It doesn’t always work—sometimes the disadvantaged team overcomes the effort.

But often it ends exactly as it did today.
 
SebastianBlue said:
The refereeing in the Brentford game is one of the clearest examples of how officiating can influence matches.

We didn’t play well, to be sure, but that is how you referee a match to advantage one team and try to achieve a certain outcome.
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It was the Rag Coote on Var who was the worst, gave us nothing and has a stadium photo of the Swamp with him standing in front of it as his LinkedIn profile and then u have him officiating the Rags v Villa where 2 Rags should have had reds
 
SebastianBlue said:
The refereeing in the Brentford game is one of the clearest examples of how officiating can influence matches.

We didn’t play well, to be sure, but that is how you referee a match to advantage one team and try to achieve a certain outcome.

It doesn’t always work—sometimes the disadvantaged team overcomes the effort.

But often it ends exactly as it did today.
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Well said mate. It was so obvious.
 
OrigamiNinja said:
I can’t watch that level of performance from the team and try and put it on the ref.
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I am not putting it all on the ref. We were poor.

But anyone that thinks the refereeing was neutral in the match, and doesn’t understand that it is a perfect example of how officiating can be used to influence outcomes, is incredibly naive (or being intellectually dishonest).
 
Ref wasn’t great but I’m getting sick of just blaming them we were absolutely a disgrace today,and Toney with his 2nd goal reminded me of the spurs game last season get it back to 2-2 then pile everyone forward looking a winner and get caught out,take the fucking point first and foremost at least come away with something ffs..
 
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