Brentford (H) | Post-Match Thread

The height of our Season was half time against the rags. Today was the low. We need to come back strong after the WC or fall away..
I think the World Cup has a lot to do with this, I could be wrong but I think we have more players going than any other PL club. What bothers me more is the burn out after the tournament. Ally to that the fact that our title contenders, Arsenal, have no CL in the latter part of the season, this league has suddenly got more difficult.
 
Awful performance and result today, not the first bad performance/result under Peps reign and I'm sure it won't be the last. Peps record with City however is pretty impressive. I like many of you get frustrated with Pep in certain games, especially ones like today and Champions League final etc., but let's not forget that we have the best manager in world football, guiding us to our most successful period in our history. Games like today and to be fair a number of other games this season highlight some frailties in our squad, however previous squads have not been without fault and those seasons haven't turned out too badly. I can understand fans frustrations and I too was very frustrated watching that and watching Pep do nothing to change it, however, every season has blips like these...it's time to stand behind the team and give Pep and the boys our full support for the second half of the season.
I don't think we have frailties in our squad. Pep had players on the bench that could've changed the dynamic. For some reason he wouldn't.
I thought we we're plodding and easy to read by Brentford. Our players didn't want to get injured and they all had their minds on Qatar. I think they thought all they had to do today was show up.
But they didn't.
 
It was a dogs dinner today and it's been coming for a while really.

Normally I would say I've seen this game before where we have 25 shots and score no goals, but they have 1 chance and 1 goal. In truth Brentford could've had a few more. Ederson saved us really.

My gripe before the game was that our defence was another one picked at random. John Stones is not, and never will be, a decent right back. He is a world class central defender and one of the few who is happy to bring the ball out of defence. Playing him out of position is ludicrous. Given Lewis had played decently when picked, why not give him a go against Brentford as a reward?

We just don't have a settled back 4 at all, especially in the middle. For me, Stones and Dias should play as often as possible as they are our best defensive pairing. We also need a right footed right back and a left footed left back. If your right footed right back is injured (Walker) you don't shuffle the entire defence around - you drop your reserve right back in.

You all know my views on Cancelo - good going forward but a useless defender. Today he was useless attacking and that's his game. I don't think Gomez is good enough to be honest, we NEED a competent left back. Cancelo is so inconsistent it's untrue. I genuinely don't see this world class full back at all. He would be gone in summer if I was the manager - we need someone who can defend at left back.

I honestly don't know what Pep was watching today. Foden offered nothing, Cancelo offered nothing, KdB was off, Gundogan wasn't on his game and whilst Bernardo toiled, he wasn't getting much out of anyone. Why didn't we see changes? Honestly, we wouldn't have scored another today if we'd still been playing now - we were up against a very well drilled defence and had no idea on how to break it down.

Sometimes I wish we'd sit deep for a bit and invite the busparkers to come out. Haaland had no room today and struggled to find any space and it's no surprise that KdB couldn't pick him out. If we just sat back for a bit to draw them out, we could hit teams on the counter. However, we're so frightened of losing the ball, we break slowly and our first thought is to pass it back to whoever is behind us which allows the opposition to regroup. It's very frustrating.

Part of me thinks that every year under Pep we've had one poor game which normally acts as a catalyst for a huge winning run. I hope that game was today.

It's a disappointing way to end the first part of the season.
 
I don’t know about that.. We still have to see Arsenal after the World Cup and under huge pressure in January and February
I just have a feeling that they have already peaked, and a decline is coming.
If the continue with their form, then yes our games vs Arsenal would potentially decide the title
The delayed fixture against them could be key. The postponement of it as allowed them (by virtue of good performances) to gain an advantage. I have a feeling that without it we would have beaten them and would be going into this break ahead in the table. We now have a situation where we will probably play both fixtures close to each other and that will advantage which ever team is in form/fresher at that point in the season.
 
I don't think we have frailties in our squad. Pep had players on the bench that could've changed the dynamic. For some reason he wouldn't.
I thought we we're plodding and easy to read by Brentford. Our players didn't want to get injured and they all had their minds on Qatar. I think they thought all they had to do today was show up.
But they didn't.
 
The rotation policy at the back has gone mental. No settled defence this season has seen us look lost. The buildup from the back is not fluid and the defending is at best just about ok.

Injury to Walker did not help. We seem to be back to full back problems. Which is hampering the team cohesion. I thought we would have enough to cover but seemingly not. Ake should be Lb and Cancelo rb. Putting stones in at RB is a disaster. I would prefer us to go 3 at the back with wing backs who can focus on attack and give us width until we can recruit. Teams are strangling the life out of our width forcing us to come inside. We have no playmaker to open them up. We looked most dangerous this year playing quick ball into Haaland otherwise we struggle.

Change it Pep. We have the The CB’s to make a very good 3. Put Walker and Cancelo up wide or Gomez/Rico until Walker is back.
 
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We've had this type of performance:

1st half chelsea
1st half seville
1st half Leicester
1st half dortmund
2nd half dortmund
1st half liverpool
2nd half liverpool
1st half dortmund (home)
1st half villa
2nd half villa
1st half palace
1st half newcastle
1st half livepool (cs)
2nd half liverpool (cs)

I'm amazed were where we are. It surely gets better after the new year (I'm thinking primarily performances not results)
 
It was a dogs dinner today and it's been coming for a while really.

Normally I would say I've seen this game before where we have 25 shots and score no goals, but they have 1 chance and 1 goal. In truth Brentford could've had a few more. Ederson saved us really.

My gripe before the game was that our defence was another one picked at random. John Stones is not, and never will be, a decent right back. He is a world class central defender and one of the few who is happy to bring the ball out of defence. Playing him out of position is ludicrous. Given Lewis had played decently when picked, why not give him a go against Brentford as a reward?

We just don't have a settled back 4 at all, especially in the middle. For me, Stones and Dias should play as often as possible as they are our best defensive pairing. We also need a right footed right back and a left footed left back. If your right footed right back is injured (Walker) you don't shuffle the entire defence around - you drop your reserve right back in.

You all know my views on Cancelo - good going forward but a useless defender. Today he was useless attacking and that's his game. I don't think Gomez is good enough to be honest, we NEED a competent left back. Cancelo is so inconsistent it's untrue. I genuinely don't see this world class full back at all. He would be gone in summer if I was the manager - we need someone who can defend at left back.

I honestly don't know what Pep was watching today. Foden offered nothing, Cancelo offered nothing, KdB was off, Gundogan wasn't on his game and whilst Bernardo toiled, he wasn't getting much out of anyone. Why didn't we see changes? Honestly, we wouldn't have scored another today if we'd still been playing now - we were up against a very well drilled defence and had no idea on how to break it down.

Sometimes I wish we'd sit deep for a bit and invite the busparkers to come out. Haaland had no room today and struggled to find any space and it's no surprise that KdB couldn't pick him out. If we just sat back for a bit to draw them out, we could hit teams on the counter. However, we're so frightened of losing the ball, we break slowly and our first thought is to pass it back to whoever is behind us which allows the opposition to regroup. It's very frustrating.

Part of me thinks that every year under Pep we've had one poor game which normally acts as a catalyst for a huge winning run. I hope that game was today.

It's a disappointing way to end the first part of the season.
Agree. Not sure about the winning run though. The World Cup break means everyone starts from scratch really. We need to improve a lot as we have many harder games than Brentford at home to come. We could easily have lost points in 3/4 other games this season too. Haaland, Bernardo and De Bruyne have absolutely carried us. The rest have been pretty average for the most part bar the odd game.
 
It’s a fucking piece of piss to stop someone scoring if you’re allowed to use your hands and foul people without fear of giving away a penalty…
and the reason Wissa got clear of de Bruyne was ..? pure hunger ..
 
My thoughts on all this, is everyone saying oh world Cup, well if the city players sat on a million a month are more bothered about playing for their country, rather than the club they sre getting paid handsomely to play for, then they need fucking off
 
Worst refereeing performance I've seen in an awful long time but that was emulated by KDB Rodri akanji & cancelo
We totally ran out of ideas, so you can add Pep to that list as he needs to take some responsibility for not shaking it up
what did the ref do wrong exactly?
 
I still find it mad that Pep saw what was happening and didn't think that Grealish going forward or Dias defensively would be better. I love Alvarez, but apart from one break, what was the point bringing him on if the tactic was spamming crosses?

The tactics at the end somehow made the team more predictable (three extremely left footed players on the left) and left Laporte & Stones attempting to deliver crosses. Even if you are think Haaland will give more of an opportunity, he's not getting on the end of shite deliveries.

Mulling it over and there were shite performances but still baffled at Pep.
 

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