Pep Guardiola - 2022/23

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Got to be honest......his predictable/boring football and the constant chopping and changing is beginning to take its toll.
I wouldn't go as far as saying his football is predictable, we are just lacking pace on the wings. We have to go back to playing two pacey wingers like we did back when we had Sane and Sterling running down either sides of the wings. Good thing the world cup is just around the corner, Txiki might just unearth a bargain 20-30m winger(s) that would be a great addition to the team.
 
Stupid comment.
When you're playing every 3 days you have to make lots of changes.
And if you think we're boring, well, that's up to you.

Our football is boring,thats my opinion.

Constantly playing side to side and backwards,only for most of our slow play in the final third to break down is mind numbing.....especially when you see the opposition take the ball,quickly break,and look far more dangerous than we had for the previous 80% of possession.

We have too many square pegs and not enough options to change in the attacking positions,and then the defensive positions are changed for fun rather than purpose.....i get the need for genuine rotation,but there have been many games where that need has not existed and yet players find themselves in unfamiliar line ups and with none ideal tactics.

We are not getting the best out of this squad,and if you think different,well,thats up to you.
 
I’d love Pep to say once JUST ONCE - I Fucked up ‘I’ not the team...

Nothing wrong in losing but this has been coming for a while, the WC hasn’t helped, but that applies to a lot of teams.

This team needs WAY MORE PACE, and this sideways backwards, and skying shots, the sloppy passing.

getting bored of the fact we can’t defend or counter, possession stats? I couldn’t care less about them...
 
Our football is boring,thats my opinion.

Constantly playing side to side and backwards,only for most of our slow play in the final third to break down is mind numbing.....especially when you see the opposition take the ball,quickly break,and look far more dangerous than we had for the previous 80% of possession.

We have too many square pegs and not enough options to change in the attacking positions,and then the defensive positions are changed for fun rather than purpose.....i get the need for genuine rotation,but there have been many games where that need has not existed and yet players find themselves in unfamiliar line ups and with none ideal tactics.

We are not getting the best out of this squad,and if you think different,well,thats up to you.
I agree on square pegs and round holes which is why I was surprised we didn't sign a LB and we let both Jesus and Sterling go, given the additional options they gave us going forward.

The squad isn't underperforming given the total lack of balance with lack of wingers and full back options.

Pep is managing with one hand behind his back thanks to this summer's transfer activity.
 
I agree on square pegs and round holes which is why I was surprised we didn't sign a LB and we let both Jesus and Sterling go, given the additional options they gave us going forward.

The squad isn't underperforming given the total lack of balance with lack of wingers and full back options.

Pep is managing with one hand behind his back thanks to this summer's transfer activity.

I dont agree,he has had the luxuries no other manager experiences.

As for left back,he sold a very reliable/steady option and brought in a kid from Anderlecht who in the grand scheme of things is as much use as tits on a fish.

He has the players to to formulate a very very effective team,yet he chooses to go down the shoehorn route by picking his perceived best 11 individuals.

Then rather than encouraging direct aggressive football we try to win the most passses in 90 mins cup,which also encourages and forces the opposition to park the bus and again limit our options.

We need a rethink.
 
Yesterday you could sense the game plan was not working and we were flat . He just stared at it without influencing it .
The first 10 mins were as clear as day that he had it all wrong,yet the stubborn fucker did nothing to alter it,even allowing HT to come and go with only a minor tweak to Bernardo's positioning.

It was a very bizarre game,and one of our most frustrating.
 
I’d love Pep to say once JUST ONCE - I Fucked up ‘I’ not the team...

Nothing wrong in losing but this has been coming for a while, the WC hasn’t helped, but that applies to a lot of teams.

This team needs WAY MORE PACE, and this sideways backwards, and skying shots, the sloppy passing.

getting bored of the fact we can’t defend or counter, possession stats? I couldn’t care less about them...

Me too mate,but it won’t happen,he thinks being gracious to the team that beats us is good enough chat.

I don’t hear many other managers saying this when they get beat,some,but not all,hold their hands up,but Pep,no way he’d do that,ego way too big for that
 
Me too mate,but it won’t happen,he thinks being gracious to the team that beats us is good enough chat.

I don’t hear many other managers saying this when they get beat,some,but not all,hold their hands up,but Pep,no way he’d do that,ego way too big for that
What?

Every time we win anything he says it's because he has the best players.

He is anything but egotistical.
 
What?

Every time we win anything he says it's because he has the best players.

He is anything but egotistical.

And when we have a shit result,he still says we were great,I get the not throwing the players under the bus part,but a little holding up of hands wouldn't go amiss neither

That's what
 
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with what we do, and we do not need pacy wingers. What we need is to let the emotions of a really disappointing performance pass.

In my view, he got yesterday's selection wrong with the omission of Grealish and Alvarez, who I think should have played for Gundo and Haaland. I also think that Gomez should have played instead of Cancelo and Lewis for Akanji.
 
I agree with people saying we are boring, at least when you step back and take the blue tinteds off. That's mainly because Pep suffocates flair in favour of being monotonous, perpetual non risk takers. Pass, pass, pass, opening, slide pass in, shot, maybe goal.
Players are encouraged to not show the individuality that got them the move to us in the first place. Look at Grealish vs Chelsea, Pep told him to not look for the pass and instead to shoot/do his thing in and around the box.. The result, looked twice the player. Pep took the shackles off him in the league cup, gave us a glimpse of the player Jack could be for us and then benched him the next game with no intention to bring him on. The next time we see him for us in league/champs he'll be back to being asked to be a safe pass merchant. Some players it makes look a lot better than they actually are(Sterling) other it holds them from their potential(Phil?). I say Phil because on occasion with no options he will happily dribble past 3/4 players but when outwide he seems to simply refuse to get at his fullback and I'm not believing for 1 minute that it could be due to Phil's lack of self beilef. For example, he makes 2.6 dribbles a game for England but just 0.7 for us. His numbers for us have dropped season on season since becoming a regular starter. His flair has been suffocated and now he's just another cog.

I don't think we've looked genuinely good as a team for over a month and 10 matches ago now, relying heavily on individual performances. The machine needs a good inspection and service else it'll not pass the MOT(league win min, unless Arsenal get 90+ then fair play) this year.
 
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Take yesterday for example,I'm coming down the spirals,and I hear at least 4 or 5 lads saying fucking Brentford,and I'm thinking it but not saying it,as I'm a believer in every PL game is there to be lost if we don't get selections and stuff right,which starts mainly with the manager.

I'm also old enough and seen loads of games,to not take anything for granted,especially with us involved,and that's despite all we have achieved and won over the last 10 year.

But it isn't rocket science,use the bloody subs,and don't use the excuse of we've played a lot of games blah blah,well freshen it up and use the subs,who have not played as many minutes then.

Although it was delicately poised,fuck me,delicately poised at home v Brentford,oops I slipped into the lads thoughts I heard walking down the spirals then for a minute,even throwing on FFS or Grealish could of helped turn the game in our favour,but no,he brings Alvarez on for last 10/13 mins.

We scraped over the line last week,won a 50/50 game that could of gone either way midweek,and got beat yesterday,but no holding of hands up,apart from saying better team won.

Cheers
 
I agree with people saying we are boring, at least when you step back and take the blue tinteds off. That's mainly because Pep suffocates flair in favour of being monotonous, perpetual non risk takers. Pass, pass, pass, opening, slide pass in, shot, maybe goal.
Players are encouraged to not show the individuality that got them the move to us in the first place. Look at Grealish vs Chelsea, Pep told him to not look for the pass and instead to shoot/do his thing in and around the box.. The result, looked twice the player. Pep took the shackles off him in the league cup, gave us a glimpse of the player Jack could be for us and then benched him the next game with no intention to bring him on. The next time we see him for us in league/champs he'll be back to being asked to be a safe pass merchant. Some players it makes look a lot better than they actually are(Sterling) other it holds them from their potential(Phil?). I say Phil because on occasion with no options he will happily dribble past 3/4 players but when outwide he seems to simply refuse to get at his fullback and I'm not believing for 1 minute that it could be due to Phil's lack of self beilef. For example, he makes 2.6 dribbles a game for England but just 0.7 for us. His numbers for us have dropped season on season since becoming a regular starter. His flair has been suffocated and now he's just another cog.

The machine needs a good inspection and service else it'll not pass the MOT(league win min, unless Arsenal get 90+ then fair play) this year.

We are not boring IF the other teams want to play. Also, we have scored about as many times 4+ goals as the other top 6 teams combined.

There are tradeoffs: we can play more direct football and take more risks, but the end result will be fewer titles. Pep's tactics tends to achieve perfect balance between taking and avoiding risks. We take a lot of risks by leaving huge spaces for the opposition, and we control the risks by "pass, pass, pass" and by suffocating the opposition. Will we be happier if we play a more adventureous football if that means more titles for Liverpool or United or Arsenal...? Not really.
 
We are not boring IF the other teams want to play. Also, we have scored about as many times 4+ goals as the other top 6 teams combined.

There are tradeoffs: we can play more direct football and take more risks, but the end result will be fewer titles. Pep's tactics tends to achieve perfect balance between taking and avoiding risks. We take a lot of risks by leaving huge spaces for the opposition, and we control the risks by "pass, pass, pass" and by suffocating the opposition. Will we be happier if we play a more adventureous football if that means more titles for Liverpool or United or Arsenal...? Not really.

No team without the quality should/will play us and attempt to play to our strengths. rightfully so they sit deep and try to pinch a result. That unwillingness to play us actually plays into our hands. as you see when a team is capable of playing and pressing high we are suceptible to a bed shitting, it's why we are always found out in the Champions League and why we lose so often to the likes of Liverpool/Tottenham.

It hasnt always been like this(risk adverse, becoming one dimensional) it's more a result of Peps evolution here. 17/18-18/19 team and tactics ect wipes the floor with the current one. More pace, more press resistant, younger legs in midfield, allowed to be direct, didnt rely on 1 player to score 50% of our goals.
 
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No team without the quality should/will play us and attempt to play to our strengths. rightfully so they sit deep and try to pinch a result. That unwillingness to play us actually plays into our hands. as you see when a team is capable of playing and pressing high we are suceptible to a bed shitting, it's why we are always found out in the Champions League and why we lose so often to the likes of Liverpool/Tottenham.

It hasnt always been like this(risk adverse, becoming one dimensional) it's more a result of Peps evolution here. 17/18-18/19 team and tactics ect wipes the floor with the current one. More pace, more press resistant, younger legs in midfield, allowed to be direct, didnt rely on 1 player to score 50% of our goals.

17/18 and 18/19 were different teams. In 18/19 Sane didn't start many games in the run-in. Also, in 21/22 we scored more league goals than in 18/19 in spite of not having Aguero and Sane, and Sterling playing only a bit part role.

The 17/18 and 18/19 teams did worse in the CL. There's that as well. Plus, the league now is arguably better (more competitive) than in 17/18 and our style is not new to the league any more. Superficial comparisons between then and now won't get us far.

Time will tell about this team. We've played only 1/3 of the season so far. What if we win both the PL and the CL?
 
It's more the not conceding leagues to Liverpool et al when playing more risky football as you suggested we would/might. There can be a balance, but Pep is slowly tilting the scale more toward risk adverse season by season. And as a result you can see the drop in quality, even from last year's team. This team isn't remotely the same. For one about 75% of our passes into the box now seem to be purely attempts to find Haaland, no-one else is playing centrally or operating in that space. It's becoming one dimensional. Reduced to mostly longshots vs Brentford as they were easily dealing with Erling.

And we haven't improved in the Champions League, still shitting the bed every season
 
I think some on here are saying Pep Out without actually saying it.
You are correct. Thankfully they aren’t anywhere near any decision making and will not be seen for a while once the WC is over and the team kick on and go and win the league again.
This idea that we are boring always pops up after a defeat.
He had a bad day yesterday and it’s hard to defend what happened on the pitch and lack of attempt to change what was obviously not working, but there are posters who have very short memories on here.
This first half of the season was always going to be about squad management due to the circumstances surrounding the timing of the WC. He’s tried to keep as many players involved and has spread minutes out far more than anytime in the past. Not always successfully mind and it’s lead to points dropped in the most unexpected games.
I’ve no doubts that the aim of the club was to be there or thereabouts at the top within a few points before the break for the WC and in that regard we are probably happy.
I think we will see a far more settled team going into the second half of the season (injuries aside) and I think we will prove to be too strong for Arsenal in the run in.
He’s certainly going to get the benefit of the doubt from me and I won’t be rushing to get him out and be replaced with someone not fit to lace his boots.
 
sign your new contract you lovely bald genius ,that's the only thing i want from pep , hes doing an amazing job 99% of the time and one bad performance from him and the players wont change my mind on that .

personally think that display was down to the players maybe not putting in the required % we need from them, be it fatigue or world cup that wasn't acceptable , we have set the bar high and the players need to reach that level every game, fucking shocking some of the performances yesterday, personally i would of dragged gundo off yesterday he was shocking(and not the only one) bernie in the middle with jack or mahrez coming on .
 
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