Shamima Begum

[feedthegoat27]

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Terrorist ****.

I know this is likely an extremely unpopular opinion, but taking away the emotion of it all, is what she said really all that bad?

It's basically just 'an eye for an eye', said in a much more long winded fashion.

Some people like to hark back to these comments she made and almost use them as an excuse to justify her 'Stateless' status, and whilst it is of course an emotive topic (probably even more so for us City fans) I just think comments like that within the context of war and conflict aren't as immediately terrible when looked at objectively.

War is shite and there are never any winners.

 

[crublue1]

When it comes to terrorists, even apologists with 3 kids in tow, I'd go for the cheapest option

 

[crublue1]

I know this is likely an extremely unpopular opinion, but taking away the emotion of it all, is what she said really all that bad?

It's basically just 'an eye for an eye', said in a much more long winded fashion.

Some people like to hark back to these comments she made and almost use them as an excuse to justify her 'Stateless' status, and whilst it is of course an emotive topic (probably even more so for us City fans) I just think comments like that within the context of war and conflict aren't as immediately terrible when looked at objectively.

War is shite and there are never any winners.

For a minute there I thought you just said....nah it must be my imagination
Carry on.

 

[hammocity]

 

[goalmole]

Fighting British forces isn't treason? What would you call it?

There is no declaration of war from the British government in Syria. Any British forces there are special forces on covert ops. There is no concerted campaign against the British army in particular. Any British military casualties are never announced as they were in Iraq or Afghanistan. It's essentially a civil war with British, Western and other forces inserting themselves, covertly and overtly, for strategic reasons. Anyone fighting in Syria could hardly be accused of fighting British forces, much less treason.

 

[hammocity]

There is no declaration of war from the British government in Syria. Any British forces there are special forces on covert ops. There is no concerted campaign against the British army in particular. Any British military casualties are never announced as they were in Iraq or Afghanistan. It's essentially a civil war with British, Western and other forces inserting themselves, covertly and overtly, for strategic reasons. Anyone fighting in Syria could hardly be accused of fighting British forces, much less treason.

It’s fucking illegal and there was nothing covert about the bombing of ISIS positions in Syria by the RAF including the use of drones.

 

[goalmole]

It’s fucking illegal and there was nothing covert about the bombing of ISIS positions in Syria by the RAF including the use of drones.

Well fucking prosecute her then and punish her accordingly if found guilty. Let a court decide the illegality or otherwise of her case in a fair trial that every British citizen is entitled to, instead of some fucking politician with their own agenda to pursue.

 

[feedthegoat27]

Well fucking prosecute her then and punish her accordingly if found guilty. Let a court decide the illegality or otherwise of her case in a fair trial that every British citizen is entitled to, instead of some fucking politician with their own agenda to pursue.

Exactly this.

 

[Bigga]

Well fucking prosecute her then and punish her accordingly if found guilty. Let a court decide the illegality or otherwise of her case in a fair trial that every British citizen is entitled to, instead of some fucking politician with their own agenda to pursue.

This gov is an extremely poor one that has shown its hand via feeding MSM feeding the populace. In its shitty attempt to get people onside they've revealed the weakness of its argument against her.

They fear losing in court.

 

[MellowJoe]

She's gotten sexier, I'll give her that

 

[crublue1]

As a taxpayer, i'd rather not pay for her repatriation, trial, and subsequent imprisonment.

 

[feedthegoat27]

As a taxpayer, i'd rather not pay for her repatriation, trial, and subsequent imprisonment.

Why don't you want one of your fellow British citizens to have the right to a fair trial?

 

[crublue1]

Why don't you want one of your fellow British citizens to have the right to a fair trial?

Because she's clearly guilty, of that there is no doubt. I'd rather the government not use my tax to confirm it, if that's OK with you?
And she looks a bit foreign ;-)

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Because she's clearly guilty, of that there is no doubt.

How can you possibly know that?

There are a wide number of defences in law that could be available to her. Presumably you’ve considered them all carefully, but assuming you have, how can you possibly evaluate any or all of them if you haven’t heard the evidence in a court of law?

Or are you basing this view on what you’ve seen on the news?

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

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Page 116 wants its joke back please.....

 

[paulchapo]

This case is an odd one. Sure she left to join a pretty reprehensible terrorist organisation but she was only fifteen years old. I've seen loads of people on social media saying, "I knew what was right and wrong when I was fifteen." This is of course true, so did I. I also know that my mindset was very different then and at times extreme, as in how I viewed dealing with certain situations. That's because the mind, emotions and feelings haven't matured at that age. It's also very susceptible to being influenced by peer pressure and persuasive people looking to exploit that susceptibility.

We have seen lots of people return to these shores who were off fighting in Syria or other places and considered a risk on their return. Many are still being monitored by the security services. The question is what sets her apart from these other people? Did the government decide somebody needed making an example of to deter others? I'm certainly not defending her actions but the subsequent treatment of her leaves an uncomfortable feeling.

 

[Elbow beards]

Having watched 'The walk in' the true story about a neo Nazi that changed his ways and then lectured about the movement, also trying to infiltrate and bring them down, I think there could be some merit in bringing her back, if she truly is remorseful, so she can use her experience to deradicalize others.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Having watched 'The walk in' the true story about a neo Nazi that changed his ways and then lectured about the movement, also trying to infiltrate and bring them down, I think there could be some merit in bringing her back, if she truly is remorseful, so she can use her experience to deradicalize others.

It’s not even about that. If she is guilty of a crime, she should be tried and punished accordingly, like pretty much every other British person would be.

 

[Brooklands Blue]

It’s not even about that. If she is guilty of a crime, she should be tried and punished accordingly, like pretty much every other British person would be.

I can't see how she can be put on trial for a crime or crimes committed outside uk jurisdiction? Personally I think she believe she was aware of what she was getting into and any remorse she is currently displaying is for the gallery.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

I can't see how she can be put on trial for a crime or crimes committed outside uk jurisdiction? Personally I think she believe she was aware of what she was getting into and any remorse she is currently displaying is for the gallery.

But isn't it a crime "against the country"?