VAR thread 2022/23

[Blue Mist]

Not trying to drag this out, but can you tell me where I can find what FIFA has said about the incident, and what "technology" they were talking about? Just want to make sure I wasn't talking complete bs earlier :)

The Daily Telegraph (as I stated earlier) has the article for starters.

 

[halfcenturyup]

The Daily Telegraph (as I stated earlier) has the article for starters.

OK thanks for that. Need a shower after going to the DT.

Didn't see anything from FIFA, though, just some waffle about technology not being used (which is nonsense, of course) and "semi-automated technology in the ball" being of no help (showing a lack of understanding of what semi-automated means and what the technology actually is). Oh, and "sources". Journalists are so casual with their language. I think you get a better analysis from other posters on here, tbh.

I think what he really means is the same as I wrote at the beginning.

Would be nice to see an official statement from FIFA on these types of things, though. Transparency and all that .....

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

This thing about the ball has been ridiculous. If the stupid pundit had realised different angles show different things no one would be talking about it.

 

[Gremlin]

I understand the geometry of it and how it can be seen to be out etc but how many throws in are given just from looking at it without the birds eye view over it.

But they don't generally lead to goals which is why this incident was referred to VAR. If the ball had subsequently been cleared or gone out for a GK or corner then nobody would have looked at it.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Whether the ball was in or out for Japan's goal doesn't matter. It simply shows, yet again that the idiots in charge decided to fix something that wasn't broken. Var causes more problems than if it was just left to the 3 officials. If the linesman got it wrong it would be accepted almost immediately. Its a split second decision. But oh no, we have to have Var. How to ruin the simple game of football.

Im sure someone else has probably said it but that decision left to the onfield refs would have knocked Japan out of the wc. That really would have been scandalous considering the onfield refs were wrong.

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

I understand the geometry of it and how it can be seen to be out etc but how many throws in are given just from looking at it without the birds eye view over it.

Not trying to be combative but I’ve heard this a few times and really don’t understand this argument. Are people suggesting that because we get lots of decisions wrong due to imperfect information, that we should make sure all decisions are made with imperfect information, regardless of impact on the game? Based on that logic we’d be scrapping goal line technology altogether and going back to letting the linesman eyeball everything.

 

[oscbarcelona]

I am always hoping they get rid of VAR one day. it causes nothing out pain.

still to this day I've never got over the trauma on sterling's disallowed goal.

for that goal I celebrated like never before.

Now I rarely cheer on impulse when we score and when I do its always one of those that are disallowed. Even the dog gets annoyed as they also go mental when we score.

 

[BlueHammer85]

This thing about the ball has been ridiculous. If the stupid pundit had realised different angles show different things no one would be talking about it.

It's a good opportunity for some to vent about VAR and how much better the game is without it

despite VAR getting it right

 

[BlueHammer85]

Im sure someone else has probably said it but that decision left to the onfield refs would have knocked Japan out of the wc. That really would have been scandalous considering the onfield refs were wrong.

exactly

 

[blue by birth]

Yeah. Before VAR there was endless bickering over decisions. City fans are still angry over Alf Grey in 1981! And rightly so. VAR's not going anywhere. The job now is to make it as efficient as possible.

Best way to make Var more efficient is to fuck it off completely..
I can't stand Var and nobody around where I sit wants it either..
I doubt that many match going fans want it either.
All season ticket holders from every Premier League club should be asked to vote on whether they want Var or not..and if a majority want it then it stays and if the majority don't want it then it's gone.
I was in favour of Var before it came in but now I fucking hate it..it's ruining the game we love.

 

[SebastianBlue]

yes and at some levels it probably exists

but every subjective tight VAR decision doesn't need to be met with 'it's pure corruption!' every time

That’s a distribution illusion, though.

Every contentious incident will have *someone* thinking it is due to corruption that it was decided a certain way, which in turn makes it seem to casual observers as though everyone thinks everything is down to corruption, which isn’t the case.

As @halfcenturyup correctly summarised earlier in the thread, I don’t think every decision is due to corruption (or even most decisions), but I do think the system itself is corrupted, which means every decision *could* be due to corruption.

And there in lies the problem. When the system is corrupted to a high level, it is difficult to know what is good faith and what is bad faith action.

 

[SWP's back]

yes and at some levels it probably exists

but every subjective tight VAR decision doesn't need to be met with 'it's pure corruption!' every time

The thing that makes me think VAR is probably far more right than wrong is that Redcafe and RAWK both thing VAR is against them and pro City.

Bluemoon thinks the opposite. If it’s upsetting all 3 then it’s fair to say that it’s probably fair more often than not. I’m incredibly blue biased but even then, I try to be as objective as possible. There are far more correct decisions now than previously. The one major change I’d have is offsides based on feet, not short sleeves.

 

[Coatigan]

Best way to make Var more efficient is to fuck it off completely..
I can't stand Var and nobody around where I sit wants it either..
I doubt that many match going fans want it either.
All season ticket holders from every Premier League club should be asked to vote on whether they want Var or not..and if a majority want it then it stays and if the majority don't want it then it's gone.
I was in favour of Var before it came in but now I fucking hate it..it's ruining the game we love.

A revarendum?

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

The thing that makes me think VAR is probably far more right than wrong is that Redcafe and RAWK both thing VAR is against them and pro City.

Bluemoon thinks the opposite. If it’s upsetting all 3 then it’s fair to say that it’s probably fair more often than not. I’m incredibly blue biased but even then, I try to be as objective as possible. There are far more correct decisions now than previously. The one major change I’d have is offsides based on feet, not short sleeves.

I’d go a bit further on offsides and make players like the ball. That is, to be offside, the whole of the player needs to be beyond the second last man to be offside. Controversy over.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I’d go a bit further on offsides and make players like the ball.

Our players are already like the ball, we get kicked all over the place.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

I’d go a bit further on offsides and make players like the ball. That is, to be offside, the whole of the player needs to be beyond the second last man to be offside. Controversy over.

The wallahs in the VAR shed will still be out with the slide rule and telling us that Foden was offside by 2mm whilst Rashford was onside by the same distance.

I never trusted the whistling wankers before VAR; I trust them even less now they have adopted a system which is the most opaque of all examples of video assistance in world sportl

 

[its grim up north]

Im sure someone else has probably said it but that decision left to the onfield refs would have knocked Japan out of the wc. That really would have been scandalous considering the onfield refs were wrong.

Not sure it would, a 1-1 draw for Japan and Germany winning 4-2 leaves both teams on 4 pts and a goal diff of +1. But Japan would go through on the head to head. Thinks. EDITED
You are right my friend, just googled. Goals scored precede head to head so the Germans would progress through 6 to 4.

 

[andyhinch]

The thing that makes me think VAR is probably far more right than wrong is that Redcafe and RAWK both thing VAR is against them and pro City.

Bluemoon thinks the opposite. If it’s upsetting all 3 then it’s fair to say that it’s probably fair more often than not. I’m incredibly blue biased but even then, I try to be as objective as possible. There are far more correct decisions now than previously. The one major change I’d have is offsides based on feet, not short sleeves.

I’d add more transparency/better communication to that.

 

[Stephen230]

Would be nice to see an official statement from FIFA on these types of things, though. Transparency and all that .....

Those images are actually short videos if you want to check them out. I don’t know how to link a video.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Those images are actually short videos if you want to check them out. I don’t know how to link a video.

Fair enough, thanks. Would still like to know if they used the inertia sensors to determine when the ball was kicked though. If they didn't, I have been talking bollocks all day and I will have to get my conspiracy hat out again :)