CAS judgement: UEFA ban overturned, City exonerated (report out p603)

Wasn't the Premier League investigation something to do with licencing? We have to submit some financials to the league which gives us a licence to play in Europe and the accusation is we gave bad financials so fraudulently obtained a licence. Or have I totally made that up?
 
StillBluessinceHydeRoad said:
It is interesting that the action against Juve has been instigated by the prosecutors in Turin on the grounds that those responsible for the club had falsified accounts in several ways over a matter of years. UEFA had reached an agreement with the club in August to bring the club back into conformity with FFP, but this is a relatively minor matter - if it is of any significance at all compared to false accounting. This is tepid compared to the accusations of inflating sponsorship deals and paying them ourselves to ourselves based on nothing but 6(?) stolen emails which proved nothing. UEFA will only "cooperate" with the national authorities but may take further action against Juve if they have misled them. I don't think Juve will need to worry too much about UEFA if they are found guilty in the courts of false accounting tax evasion and fraud! This leniency from UEFA could be because they are dealing with one of their own or it could be that they have learnt some sense from the humiliation suffered at City's hands. What do you think lads?
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There is no evidence but as I alluded to in an earlier post it seems to me uefa had been covering up for one of their own and will now do anything they can to distance themselves.
 
mrbelfry said:
Wasn't the Premier League investigation something to do with licencing? We have to submit some financials to the league which gives us a licence to play in Europe and the accusation is we gave bad financials so fraudulently obtained a licence. Or have I totally made that up?
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Do we actually know what the PL are/were investigating? In fact, do the PL know what they are/were investigating? They seem to be fishing around to see if any charges at all can be drummed up.
 
StillBluessinceHydeRoad said:
It is interesting that the action against Juve has been instigated by the prosecutors in Turin on the grounds that those responsible for the club had falsified accounts in several ways over a matter of years. UEFA had reached an agreement with the club in August to bring the club back into conformity with FFP, but this is a relatively minor matter - if it is of any significance at all compared to false accounting. This is tepid compared to the accusations of inflating sponsorship deals and paying them ourselves to ourselves based on nothing but 6(?) stolen emails which proved nothing. UEFA will only "cooperate" with the national authorities but may take further action against Juve if they have misled them. I don't think Juve will need to worry too much about UEFA if they are found guilty in the courts of false accounting tax evasion and fraud! This leniency from UEFA could be because they are dealing with one of their own or it could be that they have learnt some sense from the humiliation suffered at City's hands. What do you think lads?
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I think it stinks, Juve have gone full balls out of the fly’s when have you known them to do that? Make no mistake this is being ‘managed’ think the scousers & Merseyside police, Agnelli & co have obviously quit (damage limitation for the club) but what’s the chances most of em reappear down the line? Uefa have their knee on Juve’s throat so there’s probably been an agreement from Juve not to pursue a Euro super league, and Uefa will take a softly softly approach in kind, Juve will admit to tax evasion etc, take their punishment from the government & either refinance or sell up, and everything will go back to how it was
 
StillBluessinceHydeRoad said:
It is interesting that the action against Juve has been instigated by the prosecutors in Turin on the grounds that those responsible for the club had falsified accounts in several ways over a matter of years. UEFA had reached an agreement with the club in August to bring the club back into conformity with FFP, but this is a relatively minor matter - if it is of any significance at all compared to false accounting. This is tepid compared to the accusations of inflating sponsorship deals and paying them ourselves to ourselves based on nothing but 6(?) stolen emails which proved nothing. UEFA will only "cooperate" with the national authorities but may take further action against Juve if they have misled them. I don't think Juve will need to worry too much about UEFA if they are found guilty in the courts of false accounting tax evasion and fraud! This leniency from UEFA could be because they are dealing with one of their own or it could be that they have learnt some sense from the humiliation suffered at City's hands. What do you think lads?
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I see it as progress.
Previously all rules on and off the game itself were for City to always obey whereas the likes of Juve and Barca et al. could do as they pleased without any action.
At least this action gives an example of how non compliance is dealt with when an other than City club is involved.
CAS showed us how a proper legal judgment happens, let's see how this internal case pans out compared with City's case.
 
andyhinch said:
And yet some think we’re all treated the same.
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It’s all they’ve got. The Sheik and Khaldoon are still here, Pep is still here, our greatest players never turned into mercinaries, our triumphs turned into more than a flash in the pan and we’re still not really here. All their nightmares for over a decade all the way up to their glory hunting plastic football editors are sick with envy and hatred. You really wouldn’t have expected anything other than them clutching at any straw they can.
 
Centurions said:
He wasn't going to keep the money though, it was a test and proof that the agent was guilty if he'd paid. That must be true as Pinto said so.

He would have given the money he stole from the Caribbean(?) bank back but they got closed down when they went bust or got prosecuted so he sadly had to keep it.

Edit: The Cayman Isles, and it was two separate banks.

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Dirty John: The dark side of Rui Pinto - josimarfootball.com

Der Spiegel and other newspapers hail him as an important whistleblower, but five years ago Rui Pinto obtained 268,000 euro from two bank accounts in the Cayman Islands through hacking. Then he turned to football.
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Yes a very convincing defence case (not). Pinto's latest claim is that "he was working for the Ukraine Secret Service." Still never mind his story was impressive enough to convince people like Dan Roan of the BBC and such illustrious journalists as Rob Harris (now of SKY) plus the Guardian, the Daily Mail, and all the tabloids. Funny how no one is now covering the court case. They gave the court preview huge prominence. In fact it is still on the BBC website complete with a totally false (and racist) allegation about "Gulf Arab individuals." This story is the only part of the entire trial reported by the BBC and of course it is linked to "Manchester City" even though we don't feature in any of the 90 plus charges against Pinto.

www.bbc.co.uk

Rui Pinto Football Leaks trial starts in Portugal

Rui Pinto says he is a whistleblower not a hacker and acted to expose corruption in football.
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Centurions said:
They're "journalists", they can do what they want as it's in the public's interest.
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Perhaps Der Spiegl would have a "public interest" defence (not sure about German media laws) but I think it might fall down after CAS found one of the emails was "fabricated" by cutting and pasting two emails together producing a distorted version of what was actually said and also altering the timeline of the content which pre-dated FFP rules.

 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Yes a very convincing defence case (not). Pinto's latest claim is that "he was working for the Ukraine Secret Service." Still never mind his story was impressive enough to convince people like Dan Roan of the BBC and such illustrious journalists as Rob Harris (now of SKY) plus the Guardian, the Daily Mail, and all the tabloids. Funny how no one is now covering the court case. They gave the court preview huge prominence. In fact it is still on the BBC website complete with a totally false (and racist) allegation about "Gulf Arab individuals." This story is the only part of the entire trial reported by the BBC and of course it is linked to "Manchester City" even though we don't feature in any of the 90 plus charges against Pinto.

www.bbc.co.uk

Rui Pinto Football Leaks trial starts in Portugal

Rui Pinto says he is a whistleblower not a hacker and acted to expose corruption in football.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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Lol, is that true about the Ukrainian secret service? If true they should give him diplomatic immunity and ship him over there, I'm sure they could find a uniform that fits.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Perhaps Der Spiegl would have a "public interest" defence (not sure about German media laws) but I think it might fall down after CAS found one of the emails was "fabricated" by cutting and pasting two emails together producing a distorted version of what was actually said and also altering the timeline of the content which pre-dated FFP rules.
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I believe they're much more weighted in favour of the media over there, of course Der Spiegel have history of making stories up.
 
Centurions said:
Lol, is that true about the Ukrainian secret service? If true they should give him diplomatic immunity and ship him over there, I'm sure they could find a uniform that fits.
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It is part of Pinto's increasingly desperate defence produced by his lawyers (he has refused to testify personally). As you can see from yesterday's evidence his case looks like it is on the verge of collapse. He is now describing his football leaks as "an error." They have got him bang to rights.


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bobbyowenquiff said:
It is part of Pinto's increasingly desperate defence produced by his lawyers (he has refused to testify personally). As you can see from yesterday's evidence his case looks like it is on the verge of collapse. He is now describing his football leaks as "an error." They have got him bang to rights.


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Pinto is clearly a blunt instrument who’s been used and manipulated by some bigger players… but he’s obviously being paid to keep quiet or perhaps he doesn’t know the identity of the people paying him. Pinto is a petty crook and I think there are bigger players pulling the strings - who gave prominence to those handful of email about us from the millions available - was that really Pinto.
 
Centurions said:
I believe they're much more weighted in favour of the media over there, of course Der Spiegel have history of making stories up.
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We will probably never find out the truth. What is known is that Bayern Munich were involved in a long-running legal battle with Der Spiegl (over corruption and financial allegations at the club) which was apparently settled just before Der Spiegl started attacking City. It will all make a good Netflix movie one day.
 
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mrbelfry said:
Wasn't the Premier League investigation something to do with licencing? We have to submit some financials to the league which gives us a licence to play in Europe and the accusation is we gave bad financials so fraudulently obtained a licence. Or have I totally made that up?
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It’s more likely that the Premier League have made it all up
 
nmc said:
Pinto is clearly a blunt instrument who’s been used and manipulated by some bigger players… but he’s obviously being paid to keep quiet or perhaps he doesn’t know the identity of the people paying him. Pinto is a petty crook and I think there are bigger players pulling the strings - who gave prominence to those handful of email about us from the millions available - was that really Pinto.
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I’d piss myself if they find out it’s Parry.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
It is part of Pinto's increasingly desperate defence produced by his lawyers (he has refused to testify personally). As you can see from yesterday's evidence his case looks like it is on the verge of collapse. He is now describing his football leaks as "an error." They have got him bang to rights.


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“We have been handing over information to Ukrainian intelligence services. We have been analyzing surveillance footage at strategic sites and also intercepting radio communications used by the Russian army. This is all ‘open source intelligence’. As one Ukrainian soldier said, ‘Our luck is that they are very stupid,’”

What's this 'we' he's banging on about, surely they don't allow him access to a computer given his history? Didn't he hack the Portuguese police, judiciary system and even their cyber crimes division when he was first being investigated?
 
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