VAR thread 2022/23

[halfcenturyup]

VAR worked pretty well at the last WC in Russia. This one has been awful. They either wait 20 minutes to show the image or don't show it at all. If you look at the Rudiger goal that got disallowed the image FIFA showed to us , the ball has quite clearly left his foot already when the image is frozen.

I think they are supposed to show the SAOT graphic the next time the ball goes out of play. Not sure if that has been happening, not been watching that much tbh.

 

[Stephen230]

Is it not being used in this World Cup for keepers coming off their line at penalties, the Uruguayan keeper last night was well off his ?

Clearly was in the France game. Interesting observation by Lineker wondering if part of Lewandowski’s reasoning for going with the stuttering run up, is the knowledge that he’ll likely draw the ‘keeper off the line early?

 

[stonerblue]

Clearly was in the France game. Interesting observation by Lineker wondering if part of Lewandowski’s reasoning for going with the stuttering run up, is the knowledge that he’ll likely draw the ‘keeper off the line early?

On the 2nd attempt, Lewandowski run up actually made the keeper fall over.

 

[Stephen230]

On the 2nd attempt, Lewandowski run up actually made the keeper fall over.

He must have been very close to having it disallowed and booked for unsporting behaviour. You are allowed to stutter the run up but you can’t feint to actually kick the ball once the run up is completed. He was pushing that right to the limit there.

 

[Ballymagash Blue]

So 8 games just played where the stakes were huge. Would I be right in saying not a single bad call in all those games? No snide off-the-ball stuff? No horror tackles? No goalkeepers infringing the stay-on-the-line rule in the shoot-outs? No stupid grappling at corner kicks? No offside errors? Hardly an error at all in any of the games played?

Is that not extraordinary?

Might there be something in this VAR business after all?

 

[Stephen230]

So 8 games just played where the stakes were huge. Would I be right in saying not a single bad call in all those games? No snide off-the-ball stuff? No horror tackles? No goalkeepers infringing the stay-on-the-line rule in the shoot-outs? No stupid grappling at corner kicks? No offside errors? Hardly an error at all in any of the games played?

Is that not extraordinary?

Might there be something in this VAR business after all?

Not quite seen every game but have watched the vast majority. I’d say the only really bad ones, as far as VAR is concerned, that I remember at least, were the penalties for Portugal, where the guy had his hand on the floor and the one where the goalkeeper brushed Messi’s face. Also the farcical miscommunication and ending to the France, Saudi Arabia game, even though they did probably end up with the right decision by the letter of the law.

On the flip side, I think it was the West Ham guy on here who said this same thing about a week ago but this World Cup has been virtually a dive free zone, which can only really be due to the presence of VAR and is a huge positive.

 

[halfcenturyup]

So 8 games just played where the stakes were huge. Would I be right in saying not a single bad call in all those games? No snide off-the-ball stuff? No horror tackles? No goalkeepers infringing the stay-on-the-line rule in the shoot-outs? No stupid grappling at corner kicks? No offside errors? Hardly an error at all in any of the games played?

Is that not extraordinary?

Might there be something in this VAR business after all?

Maybe due to more experienced refereeing teams in the knock-out stages? Apart from a few high-profile glitches, VAR seems to have worked pretty well in the tournament. So far :)

 

[El_george]

Can I just say something of a general nature about VAR based on what I have noticed at this world cup and a positive one: the games have generally been pretty clean (apart from Uraguay) with low numbers of red cards and yellow cards.

I think this maybe an unintended consequence of VAR as players know that they can't get away with stuff that they may have managed to previously, when only the referee and the lines people had eyes on the game.

Just a thought.

 

[Stephen230]

Can I just say something of a general nature about VAR based on what I have noticed at this world cup and a positive one: the games have generally been pretty clean (apart from Uraguay) with low numbers of red cards and yellow cards.

I think this maybe an unintended consequence of VAR as players know that they can't get away with stuff that they may have managed to previously, when only the referee and the lines people had eyes on the game.

Just a thought.

I think the Welsh goalie is still the only red card isn’t it?

Amazing that since I think there’s been 57 games now.

 

[jim tolmies perm]

So 8 games just played where the stakes were huge. Would I be right in saying not a single bad call in all those games? No snide off-the-ball stuff? No horror tackles? No goalkeepers infringing the stay-on-the-line rule in the shoot-outs? No stupid grappling at corner kicks? No offside errors? Hardly an error at all in any of the games played?

Is that not extraordinary?

Might there be something in this VAR business after all?

Agree, can work well as long as you don't have just one bent bastard sat in a shed somewhere in the sticks.
FIFA seem to have followed the rugby example with a team forensically poring over all the images and angles with better technology on the offsides

 

[BlueHammer85]

So 8 games just played where the stakes were huge. Would I be right in saying not a single bad call in all those games? No snide off-the-ball stuff? No horror tackles? No goalkeepers infringing the stay-on-the-line rule in the shoot-outs? No stupid grappling at corner kicks? No offside errors? Hardly an error at all in any of the games played?

Is that not extraordinary?

Might there be something in this VAR business after all?

Exactly

At most you’ll get a fraction call that people can argue about

VAR has been such a benefit for the game

 

[richardtheref]

So 8 games just played where the stakes were huge. Would I be right in saying not a single bad call in all those games? No snide off-the-ball stuff? No horror tackles? No goalkeepers infringing the stay-on-the-line rule in the shoot-outs? No stupid grappling at corner kicks? No offside errors? Hardly an error at all in any of the games played?

Is that not extraordinary?

Might there be something in this VAR business after all?

Just a point. At the WC they are not using VAR for keepers being off the line. As for saying no offside errors, there were 3 or 4 in the group stages which were very dodgy and no graphic shown

 

[Paladin]

So 8 games just played where the stakes were huge. Would I be right in saying not a single bad call in all those games? No snide off-the-ball stuff? No horror tackles? No goalkeepers infringing the stay-on-the-line rule in the shoot-outs? No stupid grappling at corner kicks? No offside errors? Hardly an error at all in any of the games played?

Is that not extraordinary?

Might there be something in this VAR business after all?

Lahoz made a complete hash of his game yesterday. Maybe VAR could have helped identify some of the culprits in the melee, such as Van Dyke. Also, TV replays seemed to suggest that Argentina defender deliberately ran in to Gakpo. That was very snide and worthy of a yellow card at least. VAR could have referred it on the grounds of a potential missed red card.

I agree with the observations made by @Stephen230, but on the whole, I would say VAR has been a success.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Exactly

At most you’ll get a fraction call that people can argue about

VAR has been such a benefit for the game

It's become way more covert this WC. Some obvious things are simply not being referred to it either. All part of the long term control and manipulation plan.

 

[Stephen230]

Just a point. At the WC they are not using VAR for keepers being off the line.

Where have you seen that out of interest? Seems bizarre not to. Although the only obvious one I’ve seen saved was retaken ( Poland ) so the linesman must have been doing his job if it didn’t come from the VAR.

 

[richardtheref]

Where have you seen that out of interest? Seems bizarre not to. Although the only obvious one I’ve seen saved was retaken ( Poland ) so the linesman must have been doing his job if it didn’t come from the VAR.

Been mentioned a few times on TV during games. I think SKY mentioned it as well. However, as it's the BBC, ITV etc, might not be correct

 

[BlueHammer85]

Worth mentioning the uproar had we had no VAR and that blatant shove on Mount went unpunished, the ref would never have gave that - would of been the main talking point and pages of slating the ref for costing us the game.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Worth mentioning the uproar had we had no VAR and that blatant shove on Mount went unpunished, the ref would never have gave that - would of been the main talking point and pages of slating the ref for costing us the game.

Well, maybe. But people are still complaining about the ref costing us the game. So what's changed?

 

[BlueHammer85]

Well, maybe. But people are still complaining about the ref costing us the game. So what's changed?

ref was sh*t for decisions that don't go to VAR

 

[halfcenturyup]

ref was sh*t for decisions that don't go to VAR

Yes I understand that.

But the point was that people will always complain about referees affecting the result as long as there are referees to complain about, irrespective of VAR. So your point that people would have been complaining about the referee if VAR hadn't been there doesn't really hold up when people are still complaining about the referee even with VAR there.

If you had said that there were fewer things to complain about the referee's performance with VAR, then that would be right. Hopefully.

Anyway, small point.

Ironically, England may have been in a better position mentally if the penalty wasn't given rather than was given and missed spectacularly. They were looking pretty good for a while and an equaliser wasn't out of the question in the time remaining. The missed penalty may have deflated them.