VAR thread 2022/23

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SebastianBlue said:
Again, you only acknowledge them after I called you out on your original claim.

Then you posted an entirely fictious claim that I thought *no one* believed that VAR was brought in to benefit Liverpool and United. And have conveniently chosen not to respond to my rebuttal of that claim. That does look a lot like wumming.

You keep making false claims, being called out on them, then later acting as if you were right or that you never made them in the first place.
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It’s not a false claim

Some believe VAR was bought in solely to benefit Liverpool and Man Utd, your own poll proves that.

It wasn’t worth a poll as I acknowledge other people think it’s bought in for other conspiracy reasons.

Going round in circles so I’ll leave you to speculate if I’m trolling
 
BlueHammer85 said:
It’s not a false claim

Some believe VAR was bought in solely to benefit Liverpool and Man Utd, your own poll proves that.

It wasn’t worth a poll as I acknowledge other people think it’s bought in for other conspiracy reasons.

Going round in circles so I’ll leave you to speculate if I’m trolling
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Your claim about what I expected was entirely false (supported by none of my previous posts) and was very close to trolling.

I'll remove the poll now that your original claim has been proven wrong and you have qualified it.
 
Back to discussing the topic of the thread.

Let's all refrain from WUM behaviour like labelling other members part of a "conspiracy brigade".

Further posting of that sort may lead to thread ban.
 
Stephen230 said:
Just for clarity are you saying that in your opinion some referees have intentionally made a conscious effort to put themselves in a position between two City players for the express purpose of discouraging a pass from one to the other?
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Yes.

I've seen Taylor actually look over his shoulder in the direction of David Silva when he's had the ball at his feet (on numerous occasions), and then position himself between Silva and obvious forward pass. On one occasion Dave got so frustrated he smashed a pass STRAIGHT at Taylor who had to take evasive action.

And not just Alty either. Plenty of ref's do it if you keep an eye out for it.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Yes.

I've seen Taylor actually look over his shoulder in the direction of David Silva when he's had the ball at his feet (on numerous occasions), and then position himself between Silva and obvious forward pass. On one occasion Dave got so frustrated he smashed a pass STRAIGHT at Taylor who had to take evasive action.

And not just Alty either. Plenty of ref's do it if you keep an eye out for it.
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Fair enough. Do you have a theory on why you think they’d deliberately do that?
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Yes.

I've seen Taylor actually look over his shoulder in the direction of David Silva when he's had the ball at his feet (on numerous occasions), and then position himself between Silva and obvious forward pass. On one occasion Dave got so frustrated he smashed a pass STRAIGHT at Taylor who had to take evasive action.

And not just Alty either. Plenty of ref's do it if you keep an eye out for it.
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The last whistling wanker we had got in the way of a couple of passes, and on one occasion the player on the ball waited till the useless lump got out of the fuckin' way!
 
SebastianBlue said:
To be fair, I recall officiating accuracy being regularly reported as 90+% prior to VAR being implemented. Which would be expected, as they wouldn’t be reporting that about 1 out of every 5 decisions are incorrect, would they. Especially given they had been resisting implementing video review for decades after it had been used and continually refined elsewhere in the world.

It’s fairly common for past data points to be revised when an entity needs to provide proof of efficacy for a new policy. Happens all the time in non-sport industry. In fact, there’s an entire industry built up to support such endeavours.

I know, because I used to audit it. ;-)



*44% of those that have responded. It’s probably not actually 44%, though.
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And, how do they know which decisions were incorrect?
 
These circular arguments are doing my head in.

The position that the 90% of not-insane posters have, I think, is this:

* VAR was introduced with good intentions (as was FFP originally!)
* it has had some benefits: eg the number of outrageously wrong decisions has decreased significantly (which was the whole point at the beginning), some player behaviour has changed for the better.

On the other hand,

* implementation in the PL has lacked consistency (for example: VAR judgement rather than referee review, similar incidents in different games giving different outcomes, objective decisions Vs subjective, VAR set-ups at different grounds etc).
* implementation has lacked transparency and will do until ref/VAR comms are made available in real time.
* the combination of inconsistency and opacity leads naturally in a football fan environment to accusations of bias/incompetence/corruption for whatever reason.
* there has been a negative effect on match-going experience: spontaneity of goal celebrations, confusion over VAR reviews, VAR-related delays, etc.

We can also probably agree that even if VAR was perfect we would still argue about decisions because some people don't, or don't want to, understand some rules.

Is that fair?
 
halfcenturyup said:
These circular arguments are doing my head in.

The position that the 90% of not-insane posters have, I think, is this:

* VAR was introduced with good intentions (as was FFP originally!)
* it has had some benefits: eg the number of outrageously wrong decisions has decreased significantly (which was the whole point at the beginning), some player behaviour has changed for the better.

On the other hand,

* implementation in the PL has lacked consistency (for example: VAR judgement rather than referee review, similar incidents in different games giving different outcomes, objective decisions Vs subjective, VAR set-ups at different grounds etc).
* implementation has lacked transparency and will do until ref/VAR comms are made available in real time.
* the combination of inconsistency and opacity leads naturally in a football fan environment to accusations of bias/incompetence/corruption for whatever reason.
* there has been a negative effect on match-going experience: spontaneity of goal celebrations, confusion over VAR reviews, VAR-related delays, etc.

We can also probably agree that even if VAR was perfect we would still argue about decisions because some people don't, or don't want to, understand some rules.

Is that fair?
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That's fair
 
SebastianBlue said:
Back to discussing the topic of the thread.

Let's all refrain from WUM behaviour like labelling other members part of a "conspiracy brigade".

Further posting of that sort may lead to thread ban.
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For those labelling Anti Vax members as part of the 'conspiracy brigade' - would that lead to a potential thread ban also ?
 
How is it some cup games have var and others dont ? Shirley it would be fairer for no games, regardless of if it is a prem team or not , to not have it used
 
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