Pep stay for 5 more years or a CL trophy?

[Lavinda Past]

Why then do we have 5 PL titles but 0 CL?

Why do Liverpool only have one PL title, but 2 CL?

 

[Franny 1234]

For those of you who think winning the champions league will get people off our backs. NEVER it will be only won 1 or 2 etc. Pep another 5 years gets my vote without a shadow of doubt. CTID

 

[Lavinda Past]

Mate Pep is arguably the greatest manager off all time it's not exactly bizarre thing to say the quality Could drop when he leaves

I think @1961_vintage was pointing out your 'over-respectful' references to the rags and the GPC using their media titles...

:-)

 

[Blue and true]

For those of you who think winning the champions league will get people off our backs. NEVER it will be only won 1 or 2 etc. Pep another 5 years gets my vote without a shadow of doubt. CTID

Why do people keep bringing this up? Will this perceived "agenda" end if we don't win the CL? Or will it worsen? Will the agenda change tack if we win more league titles? I don't get this rationale from some of our fans. Do you reckon Arsenal or Spurs would reject a CL because they've not won the same amount as United and Liverpool? You should want us to win the one big trophy that eludes us for ourselves, for the players, and for the manager.

 

[Blue and true]

Why do Liverpool only have one PL title, but 2 CL?

Why do Liverpool only have one PL title, but 2 CL?

Well firstly we're talking about the difficulty of winning the CL in the context of our club, and the weak mentality we seem to have in this particular competition. But anyway, why do Liverpool have 19 league titles and 6 European Cups? Why did Fergie win 13 league titles and only 2 CLs? What would he say is the harder to win? There's not a single metric or statistic that supports the claim the CL is easier to win. There's zero margin for error in a CL final. Liverpool moaned last summer but they weren't clinical enough against Madrid on the night, shitbust.

If it were easier to win we'd have one by now, it's as simple as that.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

Pep all day but both may be fanciful;

 

[Jesus H Gabz]

Pep all day every day and twice on his birthday, anyone thinking the press would back off us or him are delusional, they would then say he’s only won one in seven years, City have only won one ever blah blah not European royalty oil money blah, don’t get me wrong I’d love to win it for our experienced players like Kev & Ilkay, but I’d love nothing better than another five years of Pep, especially after witnessing the fire in him on Thursday

 

[Keepingthefaithsince1976]

I'm shocked any city fan would accept Pep going this summer...even if we won a treble. Be careful what you wish for fellow blues.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

I'll never accept the CL as a proper competition. It's a contrived cash cow designed specifically to benefit 'select' clubs. The inclusion of clubs that aren't champions of their own national league is UEFA pandering to the likes of the rags, Milan clubs, Barcelona, etc.
The simple fact that you can come fourth in your domestic league and second in the CL group, and be 'Champions" of all Europe, is risible.

The European Cup was a proper competition. A genuine knockout competition. The CL pales in comparison. I'd rather win the Carabao Cup.

I used to say this kind of stuff but I’ve feel that I was just being silly. It’s a daft attitude to have and completely unhelpful to the football club we support. After the semifinals against Real Madrid last season I feel like I’ve matured around my attitude towards the Champions League and and I ‘get it’ now.

I agree that there’s a lot wrong with UEFA, there’s a lot wrong with the CL and there’s a lot wrong with that Cartel of clubs… but fuck em, that should make us want to win it even more as a way to stick two fingers up at them.

Winning a domestic knock-out cup is like having a wank, it’s decent enough at the time but there’s better sexual encounters to be had. Winning the Champions League is like getting a blow job off a proper gorgeous woman who knows what she’s doing, miles better than a wank at home.

Also, it’s not so much that the CL isn’t a proper competition - the fact that you can finish fourth and win it (and the fact that Wigan can get to the FA Cup final and beat us in the final) shows that knock-out football isn’t the best way to show who’s the best whether it’s in an FA Cup format, the old European Cup format or the modern CL format - it’s the winning of it or at least challenging for it as far as you can go, regularly, that shows how good a team is. Year after year. Winning the CL in one isolated year doesn’t really prove you’re the best team in Europe, but winning it back-to-back or a number of times in a small number of years or winning it once with previous and subsequent semifinal and final appearances shows how good a team is and who the best teams are.

We’ve got to the final and the semifinal in the last two years. If we can then go on to win it with those recent previous achievements will show that we are a great side and even our CL win isn’t isolated.

League formats are a brilliant way to show who’s the best team in a competition but until the Champions League becomes a league format where every team plays every other team that entered the competition home and away, the format we have now is the best way to do it.

Even then - while I will always think that the Prem is the most important competition every season - as big as final day Prem showdowns against QPR, West Ham, Brighton and Villa are (all bottom half teams on the final days when we played them to win the league) to get over the line in a 38 game Prem season playing home and away against everyone; going to the Santiago Bernabéu against Real Madrid in the CL semifinal second leg after a world class first leg is a bigger occasion and the final is an even bigger occasion again (we haven’t really experienced that yet as our final against Chelsea didn’t even feel like a real game with the lack of fans there in a stadium that it was switched to at the last minute).

One thing we haven’t got to grips with yet is that those biggest CL games are another level higher in intensity and occasion than any Prem game are. While the Prem is a marathon not a sprint, and as exciting as the final lap is, any games against the direct rivals for the title are in the back straight and especially the home straight to the finish line… it’s not quite the 100m final.

I reckon if we get to a proper CL final, and win it. That’ll rocket our club to win it again. Once we’ve won two we’ll be hungry to match United’s three… it’ll be a cumulative knock-on effect and our whole fanbase will be well into it then.

But until we win our first I think a lot of our fans will have this silly notion that they don’t care about it, like being turned down by that fit girl for the blowjob^ and saying ‘she’s a bit annoying and wasn’t that nice looking anyway’!

But as I said earlier in this thread, I think our ‘I don’t care about the Champions League’ attitude does feed on to the players and is one of the reason we haven’t won it yet.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

I'm shocked any city fan would accept Pep going this summer...even if we won a treble. Be careful what you wish for fellow blues.

It’s a silly question really. Why can’t we win the Champions League with Pep and he stays for five more years as well?!

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

For those of you who think winning the champions league will get people off our backs. NEVER it will be only won 1 or 2 etc. Pep another 5 years gets my vote without a shadow of doubt. CTID

I agree. The jealousy regarding our success is the reason that this is thrown at Pep and the club.

The media have been employed by certain teams to use whatever narrative in order to try and play down our success.

The rags and dippers use the media because they are unable to compete with City on the pitch.

It will continue even if we win it, we have upset the mardarses big style, and they kick back with the only thing they can use.

 

[Bournemouth Blue]

Until last week I would have voted differently, but his rants after beating the Spuds to mash makes me think he is keeping his options open. If the players respond (as I think they will) he will stay, but if they don’t he will go if no significant trophies this season.

 

[wolviedinho]

Until last week I would have voted differently, but his rants after beating the Spuds to mash makes me think he is keeping his options open. If the players respond (as I think they will) he will stay, but if they don’t he will go if no significant trophies this season.

Haha

Sticking with him when it’s not perfect shows loyalty and trust. Did he fuck city off when CAS came looking to destroy the club? Did he fook. As for keeping his options open? Literally could walk into any job if he wanted.

 

[Lavinda Past]

Well firstly we're talking about the difficulty of winning the CL in the context of our club, and the weak mentality we seem to have in this particular competition. But anyway, why do Liverpool have 19 league titles and 6 European Cups? Why did Fergie win 13 league titles and only 2 CLs? What would he say is the harder to win? There's not a single metric or statistic that supports the claim the CL is easier to win. There's zero margin for error in a CL final. Liverpool moaned last summer but they weren't clinical enough against Madrid on the night, shitbust.

If it were easier to win we'd have one by now, it's as simple as that.

We haven't won it because of VAR v Spurs and Pep having a brainfart when it got to the business end of the tournament.

Personally, I don't think we'll win it under Pep, and probably not u der his successor. Not because I don't like the competition, but because I just don’t think we're destined to.

We'll win the Super League in 5 years though

:-)

 

[Franny 1234]

I agree. The jealousy regarding our success is the reason that this is thrown at Pep and the club.

The media have been employed by certain teams to use whatever narrative in order to try and play down our success.

The rags and dippers use the media because they are unable to compete with City on the pitch.

It will continue even if we win it, we have upset the mardarses big style, and they kick back with the only thing they can use.

If we wasn't champions and continously winning things they would move on to the next successful team. So long may it continue. CTID

 

[burnley blue mcfc]

Pep for 5 more years means at least 3 more prem lg title’s, fuck the champs lg!!!

 

[Coatigan]

However well run we are the drop off will be huge, this guy is very unique and special and we have him in his prime.

There was no drop off when he left barca, or bayern. He leaves teams in their prime, well built and players hungry, if not somewhat unleashed.

I voted 5 years of pep in this hypothetical..In reality, I can't see him and the club lasting together another 5 years and a CL and glorious departure could well be better all round. Again as a hypothetical.

Either way, he signed a contract, he tends to honour contracts, he wouldnt have if he didnt think he wanted to stay that long, so I am not thinking abkut his departure for another couple years.

 

[Blue and true]

We haven't won it because of VAR v Spurs and Pep having a brainfart when it got to the business end of the tournament.

Personally, I don't think we'll win it under Pep, and probably not u der his successor. Not because I don't like the competition, but because I just don’t think we're destined to.

We'll win the Super League in 5 years though

:-)

So, basically, we haven't won it because we haven't been good enough. Having a brainfart when you reach the business end of the tournament is poor. Likewise, VAR didn't shaft us; Agüero was offside and we shouldn't have been in that position against Spurs in the first place. See Liverpool, Lyon, Madrid last season. We've never been good enough in this tournament and a lot of that is on Pep.

 

[Mancity1980]

With respect to the thread poster I hate these types of survey. Why is there a choice? We all (well the vast majority) want Pep to stay as long as possible winning as many trophies as possible including champion leagues. Any notion that Pep is desperate to win the CL and would bow out like Matt Busby when he does so is rubbish and I think his recent famous interviews demonstrate this.

This reminds me of 2011 when Mancini who was clearly trying to win our first trophy AND get top 4 was asked which he would prefer by a post match interviewer, he didn’t even give him an answer. Oh, and he got both!

 

[Mancity1980]

So, basically, we haven't won it because we haven't been good enough. Having a brainfart when you reach the business end of the tournament is poor. Likewise, VAR didn't shaft us; Agüero was offside and we shouldn't have been in that position against Spurs in the first place. See Liverpool, Lyon, Madrid last season. We've never been good enough in this tournament and a lot of that is on Pep.

Haven’t been good enough? The bookies don’t make us favourites out of the goodness of their heart. We have been good enough, we have been better than the recent winners, any eyeball test demonstrates that. It will happen one day, maybe even one season when we DON’T deserve it.