Today's shooting in America thread

Gaudion M said:
2a was written in 1791. At that point the US army was only a few years old but a growing power. It was not evenly distributed and was controlled by Washington. The 2a was clearly intended to allow individual states to form their own local military force in the event the federal government went rogue but also the fight with the British was rumbling on. It was basically a state level security policy relevant to the insecurity of that pre civil war era.
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Yup.

A lot of people making serious money selling guns off the back of an antiquated law though.
 
bluetonium said:
Another one, 7 dead and the police saying 'disgruntled worker' rather than any kind of retaliation.

Not sure how America fixes this. Heavier laws on gun sales and ownership could cause a civil war based on some of the attitudes I've seen in some areas, but surely Biden has a duty to the American people and I think on the back of a tragedy is the only way it will happen.

BBC News - Half Moon Bay: Seven dead in second California shooting in days
www.bbc.co.uk

Half Moon Bay: Seven dead in another California mass shooting

A suspect is held after farm workers are shot dead, two days after a gunman took 11 lives at a dancing club.
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We went to Half Moon Bay a couple of years ago when doing a tour of California on holiday. Just a lunch stop as it was a really quiet place and probably the last place you'd think there would be a mass shooting.
 
Yet another today. I wonder if it's time for America to consider that aside from failed states and those actually at war / civil war their record on mass shootings suggests the 2nd amendment may need a few tweaks?
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Yet another today. I wonder if it's time for America to consider that aside from failed states and those actually at war / civil war their record on mass shootings suggests the 2nd amendment may need a few tweaks?
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So they no longer need "A well regulated Militia"?
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
What constitutes a mass shooting? More than 2?
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It depends on who you ask but it seems that 4 or more injured (not necessarily dead) excluding the shooter, is the accepted norm (if that's the right word to use).

641 mass shootings last year (648 perhaps?), 21 of which included 5 or more fatalities.

I'm not sure if this has been linked before but it's a damning story:-

news.sky.com

US gun violence: Two weeks of shootings data around the Uvalde attack shows the scale of the issue

US gun violence: Two weeks of shootings data around the Uvalde attack shows the scale of the issue
news.sky.com news.sky.com
 
Gaudion M said:
2a was written in 1791. At that point the US army was only a few years old but a growing power. It was not evenly distributed and was controlled by Washington. The 2a was clearly intended to allow individual states to form their own local military force in the event the federal government went rogue but also the fight with the British was rumbling on. It was basically a state level security policy relevant to the insecurity of that pre civil war era.
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And assault riffles weren't around back then.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Yet another today. I wonder if it's time for America to consider that aside from failed states and those actually at war / civil war their record on mass shootings suggests the 2nd amendment may need a few tweaks?
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What makes you think that this shooting is the one that will tip the discussion into making a change?
The NRA are like Liverpool fans. It's never their members fault.
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
What makes you think that this shooting is the one that will tip the discussion into making a change?
The NRA are like Liverpool fans. It's never their members fault.
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Don't get me wrong, I don't think this shooting will change anything. I just thought that generally the gun ownership thing over there is not a great success
 
Including suicides there were 45,222 gun related deaths in the US in 2020. That’s over 15 times the death toll of 9/11. Imagine 15 of them every year?
The airbus A380-800 carries 853 people so that’s one of those crashing every week. Imagine the outcry if that happened and yet this carnage goes on unchecked year after year. It’s a fucked up place and no mistake…..
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Don't get me wrong, I don't think this shooting will change anything. I just thought that generally the gun ownership thing over there is not a great success
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It's complicated - and living here where most of my friends appear to be armed up to fuck, the one thing they say now is if everyone had to turn their guns in, the good guys would but the bad guys wouldn't, so there is no way the good guys would agree to handing them back knowing that the bad guys are still armed.
I've been thinking for a while now that maybe I should get one..... on the basis that everyone else has one. It doesn't sit well with me at all but then it's not a level playing field if it don't have one..... and it's that conundrum that has got us where the country is today
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
It's complicated - and living here where most of my friends appear to be armed up to fuck, the one thing they say now is if everyone had to turn their guns in, the good guys would but the bad guys wouldn't, so there is no way the good guys would agree to handing them back knowing that the bad guys are still armed.
I've been thinking for a while now that maybe I should get one..... on the basis that everyone else has one. It doesn't sit well with me at all but then it's not a level playing field if it don't have one..... and it's that conundrum that has got us where the country is today
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What good would have a gun do you? Do you seriously think you'd be able to protect yourself with it? If somebody comes at you with a gun the odds are you wouldn't be able to get to yours fast enough and even if you did you'd probably miss because you're in a panic.

Everybody in America thinks they're some sort of Rambo who can fight off a whole battalion with their AR-15 but in reality they'd be more likely to shoot their foot off.
 
Centurions said:
It depends on who you ask but it seems that 4 or more injured (not necessarily dead) excluding the shooter, is the accepted norm (if that's the right word to use).

641 mass shootings last year (648 perhaps?), 21 of which included 5 or more fatalities.

I'm not sure if this has been linked before but it's a damning story:-

news.sky.com

US gun violence: Two weeks of shootings data around the Uvalde attack shows the scale of the issue

US gun violence: Two weeks of shootings data around the Uvalde attack shows the scale of the issue
news.sky.com news.sky.com
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wow...sobering article that
 
buckshot said:
What good would have a gun do you? Do you seriously think you'd be able to protect yourself with it? If somebody comes at you with a gun the odds are you wouldn't be able to get to yours fast enough and even if you did you'd probably miss because you're in a panic.

Everybody in America thinks they're some sort of Rambo who can fight off a whole battalion with their AR-15 but in reality they'd be more likely to shoot their foot off.
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I'm not looking at fighting off a battalion but if someone should attempt to break into my home, currently I have a bread knife in the kitchen to protect myself with against someone I don't know what they are carrying.....
 
The best we can hope for is that they'll come up with some sort of ban on high-capacity magazines so that when we do have mass shootings we can keep the casualties to less than 10-15. I know how unbelievably stupid that sounds but we're dealing with the GQP and the NRA. Probably 70% of Americans are in favor of a flat-out ban on assault rifles but with the rules of the Senate and how it's designed to allow the minority to torpedo any reasonable legislation it's the way it's gonna be.
 
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