4 | Kalvin Phillips - 2022/23 Performances

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Colin Bells Boots said:
Another who can mindread Pep
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You don’t really need to be a mind reader to see that something’s not right here between Guardiola and Phillips though, do you?

Guardiola chose to call Phillips out on his weight and lack of condition after the world cup - he didn’t have to spill the beans on him being overweight, he chose to do so in a very deliberate move.

Guardiola played him against Southampton because that was a game he wasn’t that arsed about losing. Phillips was diabolical in that game and was promptly put back on the bench.

In the six PL games we’ve had since the break, Phillips has only played 18 minutes, and that was in a game we were already leading 3-0. Guardiola has essentially used every option available to him, other than playing Phillips, and he couldn’t get on the pitch at all in the Arsenal game.

All this has occurred during a period of heavily congested fixtures and a run of (very) patchy form for the team. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think that if Phillips was doing well in training and showing decent application, he would have got more minutes than he has.

Personally I think it’s more likely that he’s only played 18 minutes because Guardiola doesn’t like what he’s seen in training, rather than Phillips not playing well or not applying himself properly in training because he’s only had 18 minutes in the PL.
 
Brewster's millions said:
You don’t really need to be a mind reader to see that something’s not right here between Guardiola and Phillips though, do you?

Guardiola chose to call Phillips out on his weight and lack of condition after the world cup - he didn’t have to spill the beans on him being overweight, he chose to do so in a very deliberate move.

Guardiola played him against Southampton because that was a game he wasn’t that arsed about losing. Phillips was diabolical in that game and was promptly put back on the bench.

In the six PL games we’ve had since the break, Phillips has only played 18 minutes, and that was in a game we were already leading 3-0. Guardiola has essentially used every option available to him, other than playing Phillips, and he couldn’t get on the pitch at all in the Arsenal game.

All this has occurred during a period of heavily congested fixtures and a run of (very) patchy form for the team. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think that if Phillips was doing well in training and showing decent application, he would have got more minutes than he has.

Personally I think it’s more likely that he’s only played 18 minutes because Guardiola doesn’t like what he’s seen in training, rather than Phillips not playing well or not applying himself properly in training because he’s only had 18 minutes in the PL.
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Possibly, though it’s also possible Pep wanted our season back on an even keel after Southampton and thinks Rodri is best for that. We should see maybe after we play Spurs if we win whether he starts to trust Phillips, or not.
 
Brewster's millions said:
You don’t really need to be a mind reader to see that something’s not right here between Guardiola and Phillips though, do you?

Guardiola chose to call Phillips out on his weight and lack of condition after the world cup - he didn’t have to spill the beans on him being overweight, he chose to do so in a very deliberate move.

Guardiola played him against Southampton because that was a game he wasn’t that arsed about losing. Phillips was diabolical in that game and was promptly put back on the bench.

In the six PL games we’ve had since the break, Phillips has only played 18 minutes, and that was in a game we were already leading 3-0. Guardiola has essentially used every option available to him, other than playing Phillips, and he couldn’t get on the pitch at all in the Arsenal game.

All this has occurred during a period of heavily congested fixtures and a run of (very) patchy form for the team. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think that if Phillips was doing well in training and showing decent application, he would have got more minutes than he has.

Personally I think it’s more likely that he’s only played 18 minutes because Guardiola doesn’t like what he’s seen in training, rather than Phillips not playing well or not applying himself properly in training because he’s only had 18 minutes in the PL.
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Hard to tell because there are so many on here who know exactly what Pep thinks about anybody and everybody.

At least your last paragraph was prefixed with " Personally I think " before you arrived at a conclusion as to why he's only played 18 minutes.

Tbh I would prefer to wait before passing a judgement on any player new to the team.
 
blueparrot said:
Possibly, though it’s also possible Pep wanted our season back on an even keel after Southampton and thinks Rodri is best for that. We should see maybe after we play Spurs if we win whether he starts to trust Phillips, or not.
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Rodri was always going to come back in after Southampton, but my point is Phillips would have played far more than 18 minutes in the PL by this stage - even with his injury - if he was doing the business in training. The lack of game time is a consequence of his poor training, conditioning, whatever you want to believe, but it’s not because Guardiola picks the team out of a hat each week and Phillips has just been unlucky in his name not coming up yet.

If the last couple of weeks has shown us anything, it’s that no one’s place in the team is guaranteed, all the positions are up for grabs, and that Guardiola puts a lot of weight on attitude, training performances and general application when picking the team. If Phillips continues to sit on the bench even when he’s ostensibly fit to play, then it’s because he’s not doing enough for Guardiola to pick him, and if that persists then he probably will be moved on in the summer.
 
Colin Bells Boots said:
In your opinion
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It's not really an opinion though, is it? It's a fact. Up to now, he's been an unequivocal disaster. And the worse thing is, around 50% of that disaster is down to a self-evident lack of professionalism on the players part. Technically speaking, he's never going to be good enough to play in a midfield that wants to assault the Prem and the CL, that's an opinion; my opinion. You could be of the opinion that he's gonna transform and show us what he's made of, I'm not.

The deal made no sense at the time. It makes even less sense now.
 
Blue and true said:
It's not really an opinion though, is it? It's a fact. Up to now, he's been an unequivocal disaster. And the worse thing is, around 50% of that disaster is down to a self-evident lack of professionalism on the players part. Technically speaking, he's never going to be good enough to play in a midfield that wants to assault the Prem and the CL, that's an opinion; my opinion. You could be of the opinion that he's gonna transform and show us what he's made of, I'm not.

The deal made no sense at the time. It makes even less sense now.
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So you know every one of his attributes ? And it's not an opinion, but a fact !

I presume that you must be a qualified football coach, as you say Technically speaking he's never going to be good enough ...........................?

Or are you saying that Pep will have watched him play for Leeds and England, and despite being technically inadequate , as you say he is, but was prepared to give the ok to go ahead and sign him ?

Pep is obviously not happy about some aspects since Phillips has been at the club, but not having the necessary " technical ability " ?

Some posters perform mental gymnastics on this forum to try and prove their point .
 
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Colin Bells Boots said:
Hard to tell because there are so many on here who know exactly what Pep thinks about anybody and everybody.

At least your last paragraph was prefixed with " Personally I think " before you arrived at a conclusion as to why he's only played 18 minutes.

Tbh I would prefer to wait before passing a judgement on any player new to the team.
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It’s all about opinions mate and no one on here knows what Guardiola is thinking.

But, logically, you would have to think that the continued lack of game time for Phillips is more than just bad luck. Maybe he’ll play more in the next month or so, but if Guardiola continues to avoid playing him there will probably be a reason for that.
 
Didn't think he was up to standard when we signed him but I'm happy to wait and see if he proves me wrong. Feel like some are becoming increasingly patient, whether that's with Phillips or anyone else. Maybe I'm just noticing it more.
 
Brewster's millions said:
It’s all about opinions mate and no one on here knows what Guardiola is thinking.

But, logically, you would have to think that the continued lack of game time for Phillips is more than just bad luck. Maybe he’ll play more in the next month or so, but if Guardiola continues to avoid playing him there will probably be a reason for that.
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And if that is the case, and it is because the player has not given everything towards proving that he deserves to be at the club, then he is an idiot and deserves to be moved on.

Opinions are fine, opinions presented as Fact without proof, are meaningless and unhelpful
 
Brewster's millions said:
It’s all about opinions mate and no one on here knows what Guardiola is thinking.

But, logically, you would have to think that the continued lack of game time for Phillips is more than just bad luck. Maybe he’ll play more in the next month or so, but if Guardiola continues to avoid playing him there will probably be a reason for that.
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Prepare yourself for a shock mate; Pep gets things wrong. He's great, but he's not infallible. There will be blunders and the occasional oversight. He got it wrong in Porto, has got some things wrong this season, bought some absolute duds in his first season here. Phillips, it's looking increasingly likely, is one those mistakes.

And no, I'm not a football coach. I judge players with my eyes. Lets frame it like this:

Would he get into Madrid's midfield? No.
Would he get into Barca's? No.
Bayern's? No.
PSG's? No.
Arsenal's? No.
United's? No.
Napoli's? Inter's? No.
I would argue he wouldn't even get in Newcastle's current midfield. You can include Spurs and Brighton too.

If he's not good enough for any of the aforementioned midfields, he shouldn't be good enough for ours. Leeds was his level, and I'd stake good money on him being binned in the summer.
 
Let's be honest he was bought as back up for Rodri to give him a rest. Injury and now God knows what else has prevented this. He has until the end of the season I reckon before getting binned if he doesn't buck up.
 
Blue and true said:
Prepare yourself for a shock mate; Pep gets things wrong. He's great, but he's not infallible. There will be blunders and the occasional oversight. He got it wrong in Porto, has got some things wrong this season, bought some absolute duds in his first season here. Phillips, it's looking increasingly likely, is one those mistakes.

And no, I'm not a football coach. I judge players with my eyes. Lets frame it like this:

Would he get into Madrid's midfield? No.
Would he get into Barca's? No.
Bayern's? No.
PSG's? No.
Arsenal's? No.
United's? No.
Napoli's? Inter's? No.
I would argue he wouldn't even get in Newcastle's current midfield. You can include Spurs and Brighton too.

If he's not good enough for any of the aforementioned midfields, he shouldn't be good enough for ours. Leeds was his level, and I'd stake good money on him being binned in the summer.
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Frame it how you like Pep thinks hes got the ability, whether it works out or not we’ll see, but even if it doesn’t it won’t be ability it will be application or mental strength.
I do know posters regularly jump to early conclusions on signings and often in fact mostly get proven wrong in some cases very wrong. Yet they never seem to learn to wait and see.
 
City (and Pep) saw something in this lad a few months ago. Yes, he’s had a horrible start but I can’t see them booting him out on on the basis of half an hour’s meaningful football.

BM may write him off. The club are hopefully more professional.
 
FantasyIreland said:
I thought this kid would do ok here,a perfect back up to Rodri,but for whatever reason the move just doesn't seem to be working out.
Yes he's been injured,but even in the glimpses we have seen of him he appears to be well out of his depth and not remotely in tune with the rest of team.

I think it best all round if he returns to his more natural surroundings and we find the reliable quality that we need.

Bernie
Gundo
Philips

Out

Bellingham
Maddison
Lavia

In
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I also thought Phillips would do well for us and would mop up some of the counter-attacks but what has shocked me so far in his brief appearances is his poor technique. It was eye-opening watching Lavia the other night, just back from injury. He looks miles better than Phillips. Lavia is one that got away from us.
 
Blue and true said:
Prepare yourself for a shock mate; Pep gets things wrong. He's great, but he's not infallible. There will be blunders and the occasional oversight. He got it wrong in Porto, has got some things wrong this season, bought some absolute duds in his first season here. Phillips, it's looking increasingly likely, is one those mistakes.

And no, I'm not a football coach. I judge players with my eyes. Lets frame it like this:

Would he get into Madrid's midfield? No.
Would he get into Barca's? No.
Bayern's? No.
PSG's? No.
Arsenal's? No.
United's? No.
Napoli's? Inter's? No.
I would argue he wouldn't even get in Newcastle's current midfield. You can include Spurs and Brighton too.

If he's not good enough for any of the aforementioned midfields, he shouldn't be good enough for ours. Leeds was his level, and I'd stake good money on him being binned in the summer.
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As unconvincing as your first attempt to rubbish his abilities.

Luckily City do not rely upon the opinions such as yours when recruiting players .

I will look forward to reading more of your detailed opinions with interest, and bear in mind that such an open minded individual as yourself is wasted on a forum , instead of working in professional football management.
 
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