PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Prestwich_Blue]

This is brilliant. I'm writing my next missive for KOTK so have been going through the rule books to see exactly what we've been charged with, and it's clear the PL have fucked it up big time. For example, in 2011/12, they've charged us with a breach of Rule E11. That rule in the 2011/12 PL Handbook says "Each club shall enter the FA Cup".

I've looked at a few others and it's a similar story. They've seemingly charged us against another rule which says that, except for televised games, all PL games will be played on Saturdays at 3pm.

It's an absolute fuck up.

 

[dadnlad]

Paid dinner break too

luncheon vouchers i believe (FOC)

 

[Jesus H Gabz]

I like how wages are even brought up with our lawyers as well.

Will KDB get parity? I’m Sure it’s in his contract

 

[paulchapo]

As a fan of another team, I find this very interesting. But what strikes me after reading a lot of this thread is that there's a lot of blame-game going on here. I've read a lot of blame towards other clubs, the FA and PL, but very few, if any, are talking about the real case and the substance in the accusations. If there's done something wrong, which the enquiry will find out, surely there has to be consequences?

I have no idea who you support but we're veterans of this since the takeover. We know fully who are against us and why and it's possible you support one of the guilty party, because trust me they are guilty of trying to bring us down.

A question for you. Do you honestly believe every other club in the premier league has complied fully with the rules and not tried to bend them a little or been a little vague on their sponsorships or incomings? That's not an admission we have, but trust me if we have every other club has.
As for honesty and rules you do know one of the main drivers of the vendetta against us, Liverpool, were found guilty of hacking our database and settled out of court by paying us a million pounds don't you? See that information is out there but conveniently brushed under the carpet by the media. I'm sure if these clubs had the same scrutiny we have endured a lot more would come to light.

 

[nellyonthewing]

What I'd like is our Owners, Manager and Players to come out fighting ..

 

[SidJames]

High Court is where this all finally ends.

It isn't just our Club future on the line here.

There is 50 Billion of UAE investment in UK on the line here.

There are politics that will come in to play.

Those Cartel Clubs might feel smug right now. Knowing full well they are going to win the "Battle" at Premier League Level literally "Match Fixing" the out come beforehand which they are very good at.

When this gets to the High Court they will lose the "War"

The Judges will be well aware there is much more on the line than our future.

 

[richards30]

This is brilliant. I'm writing my next missive for KOTK so have been going through the rule books to see exactly what we've been charged with, and it's clear the Pl have fucked it up big time. For example, in 2011/12, they've charged us with a breach of Rule E11. That rule in the 2011/12 Pl Handbook says "Each club shall enter the FA Cup".

I've looked at a few others and it's a similar story. They've seemingly charged us against another rule which says that, except for televised games, all PL games will be played on Saturdays at 3pm.

It's an absolute fuck up.

Oh Colin, you’ve made my day!

 

[Chi-town blues]

I like how wages are even brought up with our lawyers as well.

ffs wish I was a lawyer and a left back.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

19/20/21 aren't under investigation so suck it

THey are, under points 5a, b and c. 18 charges in total across those three years.

 

[Don Karleone]

He’ll have this won by dinner time.
£40k what a bargain : )

 

[danielwood5]

You seem to have a good grasp of this. Can you explain why, if the PL thought they had evidence of financial irregularities, their next step would be the independent panel and not simply handing over the evidence to the police/SFO?

For me (a layman), it seems the current charges are far more serious than the apparent next step would suggest. I don’t understand why the PL are still in control of this?

It's because laws and financial fraud are very different things to the Premier League's self created rules regarding participation in their competitions.
Looking at the charges we've been accused of the first one looks like it's regarding Mancini's time with us and the fact that he was employed by Al Jazira at the same time. As both clubs are owned by Sheikh Mansour the PL are probably saying that his pay for his Al Jazira work was actually a disguised payment for his work with City, therefore, when we told then Mancini was getting paid 'x' amount it was actually 'x + Al Jazira pay'. As long as the Al Jazira accounts show he was being paid by them and all the relevant tax or whatever was being paid then it is of absolutely zero interest to HMRC, the police or anyone else. It could however break the PL rules if they decide that it was a way of paying Mancini more than we declared, this then leads to the accusations of 'true and fair accounts' which in turn affects FFP figures. This is a PL issue rather than a fraud issue.
It will probably be the same with the player payments things, the PL will disagree with some of the figures there which breaks their reporting rules but as long as the money was reported correctly to the various countries involved then they don't care.
With the player salaries stuff it could be something as simple as Coka-Cola paid £1m to the image rights agency for an advert using NYCFC players to be put on the NY subway system. The image rights company said to them if you pay £1.1m we'll let you put De Bruyne's image on there too. This is all perfectly fine and legal and is one of the benefits of selling image rights as part of the CFG rather than as individual clubs, we can negotiate better deals for the clubs and the players involved. We then say that the payment to De Bruyne isn't part of his City wages as he was appearing in an advert for NYCFC rather than MCFC so it wasn't in the Premier League financial statement. They say that's a disguised payment as he plays for MCFC even though the work was to promote NYCFC, the PL says that breaks their rules, we say it didn't. Again, as long as all the money has been declared to the various tax officials of the countries involved it's not a legal problem but it could be a Premier League problem.
These are just examples BTW, I'm just guessing at what the actual issues are but I think it will be petty stuff like this that this whole thing is about. I just wanted to show how there's a huge difference between serious legal breaches and things the Premier League may be fussy about.

 

[Lovebitesandeveryfing]

Edited! Lol

Prem league are risking their entire brand so sadly I feel they have a very strong case

They're not risking anything. If we are found guilty they will be hailed as the saviours of football.
If we are found not guilty they will be lauded as at least trying to save football.

I think you're right. And, as has been analysed elsewhere, I think this is largely about posturing, to convince the government that they can set their own house in order. Whether they can or not, whether indeed there is a house to be set in order, will take years to resolve. In the short term, their posture will probably pay off. The long-term damage (if there is any to them) can be dealt with in the distant future.

 

[City Mike 1969]

Just imagine the amount of piss boiled if we went and splashed 300m in the summer...would be hilarious

Unfortunately one of the by products of this shit show is that, unless its been resolved, which is highly unlikely, no player in their right mind will join us.

 

[M18CTID]

They're not risking anything. If we are found guilty they will be hailed as the saviours of football.
If we are found not guilty they will be lauded as at least trying to save football.

Yeah, it’s bollocks. UEFA didn’t suffer any lasting reputational damage despite us winning that one. It’ll be the same here. If we come out on top again, the PL will simply carry on as before. I suppose it’s possible that the red shirt clubs and Spurs try to pull that ESL shit again but it’s more likely that some of the owners of those clubs sell up instead.

 

[argyle]

That's precisely what I mean. These are allegations of criminality and HMRC and the Police would have to launch their own inquiries if the tribunal rules against City. The political pressure for them to take action would be huge especially in the current climate where there is so much concern over tax evasion/avoidance.

If such evidence exists I really don't think HMRC and the authorities would be waiting for the PL to pass judgement.

My point is I don't think the PL has such evidence as their allegations are so serious it should/would have already been taken up by the authorities.

 

[Legal Alien]

I have seen lots of posts in here about Khaldoon will get them, City will get them, we’re going to ruin uefa and the Premier League, but I am honestly not sure where these sentiments come from cos only the other month our club put out a joint statement with lfc basically making our fans seem like theirs. So while I fully appreciate we employ a lot of very very clever people, including chairman Khaldoon, I don’t think we are necessarily more powerful than the premier league when it comes to matters of the premier league. It’s a bit like the bouncer who doesn’t like your shoes and won’t let you into the club; however nice and shiny they are if he doesn’t like them you don’t get in. By the way I am not saying the premier league are like nightclub bouncers, as bouncers have significantly more class, dignity and integrity. We all know that the premier league doesn’t want us in

This is different though, the club is being accused of being crooks & systematic cheating for the last 9 years!

I don't want details and evidence, just a quick response from a pissed off, defiant chairman, who is sick to death of his club having their name repeatedly dragged through the mud, with a message of stay strong we are going to fight this with everything we've got! That's all.

 

[Jesus H Gabz]

This is brilliant. I'm writing my next missive for KOTK so have been going through the rule books to see exactly what we've been charged with, and it's clear the Pl have fucked it up big time. For example, in 2011/12, they've charged us with a breach of Rule E11. That rule in the 2011/12 Pl Handbook says "Each club shall enter the FA Cup".

I've looked at a few others and it's a similar story. They've seemingly charged us against another rule which says that, except for televised games, all PL games will be played on Saturdays at 3pm.

It's an absolute fuck up.

Well they’ve contravened that last one themselves hundreds of times…..fuckin rule breaking cheats

 

[blueparrot]

What I'd like is our Owners, Manager and Players to come out fighting ..

What does that mean ?

 

[slbsn]

Hi there, throughout our battles with the authorities you have been the voice of expertise in a wall of noise. We are all very grateful you have been around to spell things out in language ordinary folk can understanding. I have a couple of questions that you may already have answered, but here goes:

1. others have mentioned a time limit for allegations over six years old, whilst the EPL are happy to throw allegations around from 2009, if this went to court could these older allegations be time barred?
2. Can City sue the EPL and those involved in what they could perceive to be a joint venture to destabilise or destroy the City business?

thanks you.

1. There is a 6 year statute of limitation BUT if the PL succeed in showing concealment, the limitation may not stand.
2. No

 

[mac]

Now the dust as slightly settled.

Football as we know it is about to change. Similar to the world we live in.

We are in big trouble

Edited! Lol

Prem league are risking their entire brand so sadly I feel they have a very strong case

I actually feel the opposite. This is the last chance the red wankers have got. They have threatened the Premier league with its them or us. They are both up for sale ,no coincidence. They will form the super league if they don't get what they want. They have history of that.