PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

I fail to understand the clamour from all outlets that it is the HMRC that has ultimately been defrauded and will come demanding its pound of flesh.
Surely if we’ve overinflated sponsorship deals to bring in additional revenue to expend our business means we’ve paid more tax than we would have done. Higher wages paid to players = more tax collected. Capital expenditure on stadium and training ground = more tax / VAT collected. Had we remained where the rest of the cartel wanted us then tens of millions less would have been collected by HMRC.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
This is brilliant. I'm writing my next missive for KOTK so have been going through the rule books to see exactly what we've been charged with, and it's clear the Pl have fucked it up big time. For example, in 2011/12, they've charged us with a breach of Rule E11. That rule in the 2011/12 Pl Handbook says "Each club shall enter the FA Cup".

I've looked at a few others and it's a similar story. They've seemingly charged us against another rule which says that, except for televised games, all PL games will be played on Saturdays at 3pm.

It's an absolute fuck up.
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I’m not anywhere near as clued up as you on such matters mate but when I had a look over the charges it read like a 5 year old had written them with their favourite crayon.

Fucking crackpots.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
I see Dan Roan still finds it impossible to refer to our owner by using his name. He seems happy to use a racist trope of "Abu Dhabi owners" with no reference to the US firm (Silverlake) who own 24 per cent of CFG. City "owned by Abu Dhabi" is inaccurate but also a dehumanising phrase which avoids using Sheikh Mansour's identity. Is Roan bigoted or just very stupid?
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What's this 'or'?
 
Ric said:
When the news first broke yesterday I thought we were at about an 8, tonight I’d say 3 or 4.
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It seems the media climb down is in sync with your thought process. It’s gone from expulsion and title stripping to small points deduction. I’m not sure the media expected or the PL for that matter such a bullish response and subsequent even more bullish leaks from the club..
 
J.G.Blue. said:
Pleased we have Mansfield at home last game, hopefully we can secure promotion but no going on the pitch or we might get into trouble!
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Well if it's anything like the last time we played Mansfield it might take a while for us to reach the pitch.
 
domalino said:
It’s an embarrassing mistake but not sure it’s as bad as you’re making out.

Some intern has gotten the years that the rule book changed wrong. In 2012 the laws moved around so the old rule C became rule E

E11 in 2011/12 is entering the Fa cup and in 2012/13 onwards its submitting accounts and they’ve mislabelled it.

The 12/13 book even has a little column telling you what the old rule was - I bet they never realised how important that would be!

Not sure it will get us off, but I do think it will impact how the more diligent journalists like Kieran Maguire view the competency of the PL legal team.
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It's totally amateurish. Likely there was a mad dash to get the document out for political reasons. The PL errors strangely not getting much airtime in the press. As you say, the errors are clumsy, but won't affect the proceedings in any substantive way. City will no doubt mention it at the hearing, the PL will acknowledge it and some bureaucrat that is taking notes will record it.
 
What about these "Leaks" concerning other PL clubs, are they going to be investigated:-

nb some are behind the ST pay wall, but you can get the jist just from the headlines

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Jose Mourinho: the rich one

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Bez said:
It's totally amateurish. Likely there was a mad dash to get the document out for political reasons. The PL errors strangely not getting much airtime in the press. As you say, the errors are clumsy, but won't affect the proceedings in any substantive way. City will no doubt mention it at the hearing, the PL will acknowledge it and some bureaucrat that is taking notes will record it.
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Sets the tone more than anything, if you can't present the charges in the correct format what else have you rushed.
 
danielwood5 said:
It's because laws and financial fraud are very different things to the Premier League's self created rules regarding participation in their competitions.
Looking at the charges we've been accused of the first one looks like it's regarding Mancini's time with us and the fact that he was employed by Al Jazira at the same time. As both clubs are owned by Sheikh Mansour the PL are probably saying that his pay for his Al Jazira work was actually a disguised payment for his work with City, therefore, when we told then Mancini was getting paid 'x' amount it was actually 'x + Al Jazira pay'. As long as the Al Jazira accounts show he was being paid by them and all the relevant tax or whatever was being paid then it is of absolutely zero interest to HMRC, the police or anyone else. It could however break the PL rules if they decide that it was a way of paying Mancini more than we declared, this then leads to the accusations of 'true and fair accounts' which in turn affects FFP figures. This is a PL issue rather than a fraud issue.
It will probably be the same with the player payments things, the PL will disagree with some of the figures there which breaks their reporting rules but as long as the money was reported correctly to the various countries involved then they don't care.
With the player salaries stuff it could be something as simple as Coka-Cola paid £1m to the image rights agency for an advert using NYCFC players to be put on the NY subway system. The image rights company said to them if you pay £1.1m we'll let you put De Bruyne's image on there too. This is all perfectly fine and legal and is one of the benefits of selling image rights as part of the CFG rather than as individual clubs, we can negotiate better deals for the clubs and the players involved. We then say that the payment to De Bruyne isn't part of his City wages as he was appearing in an advert for NYCFC rather than MCFC so it wasn't in the Premier League financial statement. They say that's a disguised payment as he plays for MCFC even though the work was to promote NYCFC, the PL says that breaks their rules, we say it didn't. Again, as long as all the money has been declared to the various tax officials of the countries involved it's not a legal problem but it could be a Premier League problem.
These are just examples BTW, I'm just guessing at what the actual issues are but I think it will be petty stuff like this that this whole thing is about. I just wanted to show how there's a huge difference between serious legal breaches and things the Premier League may be fussy about.
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Tidy poster you Daniel.
 
So this new chief of the FA, Debbie Hewitt, a self proclaimed 'big rag', her first major policy decision is to try and fuck over lickle citeh! Makes you wonder....
Previously she has Chair of the Restaurant Group which went into administration in 2020, so she's got form form.
 
Also, it’s laughable that so many charges relate to Mancini acting as adviser to CFG as they grew their template to bring new clubs in.

Whilst in Stretford, Ferguson has got one of the most expensive wine collections in the UK, got his wages subsidised by racehorses and stud fees and to this day is one of the most expensive non exec directors/ ambassadors, apparently still on £2m a year.

“So Alex, we can’t pay up what you want and make the books balance this year, so how about £2m for life once you retire?”
 
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