PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Norbert D]

It depends what they mean. They have already been to the High Court on procedural grounds in this matter. And can again. BUT they can't go there in respect of the substantive consideration of the facts unless the process has serious irregularities or doesn't have jurisdiction.

If a sanction is handed down that threatens the existence of the City business, based on hacked out of context emails, could City argue the panel doesn’t have the jurisdiction to in effect close down a viable business based purely on the probability that they are correct, without hard facts and that contradicts audited records?
or indeed could the club go for the high court as a way of time distancing the charges so that the mood has calmed down a bit and ex months or years down the line most of the media scrum will have died down?

 

[terraloon]

Nope, literally can't challenge on those grounds. Next.

From the PL rule book

Award
X.37.
Subject to the provisions of sections 67 to 71 of the Act, the award shall be final and binding on the parties and there shall be no right of appeal. There shall be no right of appeal on a point of law under section 69 of the Act. In the event that a party to arbitration under this Section X challenges the award, whether in the English High Court or any other forum, it shall ensure that the League is provided with a copy of any written pleadings filed and/or evidence adduced as soon as reasonably practicable after their/its filing.

 

[cheekybids]

I've just listened to sly sports ( I know I shouldnt) about whether, if it came to the worst and City were thrown out of the Premier League would they be accepted into the EFL. They reckon that the EFL probably wouldn't accept City, from what theve heard. The more you dig into it the more it looks as if they are threatening our very existence as a club. Our am I being over dramatic there.

Remember they wanted FFP because they didn’t want another Portsmouth of Leeds. We would say no one gave a flying fuck when we going bust apart from mocking us with banners.

Now they actually want us obliterated, talk about a message to anyone wanting to try.

 

[Metal Biker]

Do you think for one minute any of those other clubs want us in it? We’d be kicked out for things like these charges before we kicked a ball. I don’t trust any of those other clubs one bit.

You know that point where your sarcasm is so advanced people think you're serious?

I think i've reached it.

 

[slbsn]

People stop shitting it @projectriver is wrong. we can indeed go to the high court. it is indeed set out in the rulebook itself. read for yourself. it is written in plain language.

It is written in plain language. I linked it and explained it. There are TWO routes to court. Substantive jurisdiction - irrelevant as the PL obviously has jurisdiction. And "serious irregularity". Thats it. If you disagree I think you owe the audience a proper explanation why.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

I am no lawyer, but if City are punished and the punishment is deemed excessive and damaging to City on a commercial/reputational level, City should be able to challenge that in the courts.

That’s what I’m thinking. City receiving a big punishment which doesn’t fit the crime, surely we have the right to take it to court? Doesn’t make any sense for the PL to be the judge on our fate. Kangaroo court all over again.

 

[eastmanc]

Whatever happens guys, we know we won it all on the pitch, they can never take the Aguero moment from us or that fight back last year, they know they can’t beat us on the pitch so they will try anything else. I think it’s a watershed moment now, if we lose we will come back even stronger, if we win it will do untold damage to the league as they are shown up for what they are, whatever happens nothing will be the same afterwards.

Remember when UEFA charged City last time there was a programme on Irish TV and Niall Quin was discussing City's plight with Graham Souness. Quinn stated that for him al City's success was tainted. Sourness stood up for City and reminded him of the great moments that we have gone through since the takeover and the redevelopment of the area. With friends like Niall Quin we don't need enemies. I know the post is a bit random but I thought I would get it off my chest.

 

[Gone for a Burton]

100 charges, EXACTLY 100.

Not 92 or 78 or 86 or 109.

EXACTLY 100.

How coincidental, how symmetrical.

How much planning,scheming and manipulation went into arriving at EXACTLY 100.

Clear & Obvious !!

City have presented the judge, jury & executioner with reams of records going back over the period of the witch-hunt.

The club should now demand copies of all correspondence twixt the PL and all and any club that contains the words Manchester City or MCFC over the same period.

Additionally, all minutes,transcripts and footage from all meetings internal or external containing reference to the club should be released.

Finally, the dates,locations and attendees of any meeting(formal,social,private) twixt PL and and any other PL club(s) or football officials, must be revealed.

The photos of the hideous red shirt 'rivals' meeting in NY make me feel sick and should be circulated far,wide and frequently to establish a narrative agin these odious bastards !!

 

[slbsn]

From the PL rule book

Award
X.37.
Subject to the provisions of sections 67 to 71 of the Act, the award shall be final and binding on the parties and there shall be no right of appeal. There shall be no right of appeal on a point of law under section 69 of the Act. In the event that a party to arbitration under this Section X challenges the award, whether in the English High Court or any other forum, it shall ensure that the League is provided with a copy of any written pleadings filed and/or evidence adduced as soon as reasonably practicable after their/its filing.

I explained this above. It says, in short, there are almost no ways to Court.

 

[KS55]

Does it make sense for the PL to destroy City as a club? That's doubtful, for City are an important part of the history of the PL, attract big names and make the league stronger. If they strip us of the titles, they strip the PL of iconic moments like Aguero's goal and iconic title races. The PL would lose more from the worst case scenario than win.

But it makes sense for the PL to weaken City seriously and make the league more competitive. Therefore, the most likely outcome won't be expulsion from the league but heavy sanctions which will seriously harm our buisiness for 3-4 years or so: points deduction, no CL, transfer ban, etc.

Try to understand what makes sense with regard to the image of the PL and you can understand better what's likely to happen.

Now, one can argue that it makes sense for the top 6 that City are relegated and stripped of the titles, especially for Liverpool and United. That's correct. But they are not the PL, plus they also care ultimately about the good image of the PL. What makes sense wrt the image of the PL does not (necessarily) coincide with the private interests of the red clubs.

Personally, I expect heavy sanctions for the club, but no relegation and no stripping of titles.

If, as you say, hobnailing City to make the PL more competitive is the aim, all they have to do is wait two years for Pep to leave. Our advantage is not in our transfer spend or players wages, but in our superior football.

 

[BushWhacker]

I just can't be arsed living in delusion. And as to my general outlook on life? I still blame Manchester grey clouds and City in the 80s for infecting my entire psyche. Blame them.

Agreed mate. Fair doos. Living and growing up in Stretford being a blue in early 90s had a similar effect.

 

[jaiguruKun]

That sounds very similar to the right of appeal to CAS over UEFA's case - if the investigation had been sound, then CAS would have been no help (or not interested). Is that right?

No there is an automatic right of appeal to CAS written into UEFA's rules.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

@tolmie's hairdoo . Can you point me in the direction of info on what we were prepared to tell CAS but weren’t allowed to, please.

It all related to the time barred period and showed how Uefa had repeatedly moved the goalposts on us.

 

[Aba452]

Naively I thought our win against CAS would mean an end to the negative narrative on City.

Some hope, it has enabled the drip drip of lies to become a torrent and we are facing an even bigger ordeal than before.

The fact that the "independent" panel and appeal panel will be chosen by the PL fills me with foreboding. The PL is clearly in thrall to liverpool, unitied and arsenal with spurs as the little man hiding in their shadow.

Do we have allies in the PL? Most of the rest accept their place and will go along with the cartel. Newcastle may be enemies of our enemies, though Amanda Stavely was instrumental in our takeover.

For wolves, leicester and the rest, they will gleefully try and twist the knife, might get favours in loans or transfers.

There are huge (massive!!!!) parallels with CAS, not least the way our venal press are reporting. Guilty with no possibility of innocence! That arrogance will be shown up for the uninformed bile that it is.

People on here have really been running the whole gamut of emotions, including saying if we've done wrong so what? I understand that view, but it's wrong. Our executives are trying to join an exclusive club at the top of a billion pound industry. When even the European Spaniards are being called "terrorists" at PL board meetings you have to wonder exactly what they think of Khaldoon and the Sheikh?!?

So as non white non British people they have to be held to a higher standard because of the "clear and obvious" mudraking. As plenty have said we must have the most audited accounts in any business, I trust in our compliance procedures and the people we've got steering the ship.

 

[cheekybids]

Not sure why people keep repeating this. It’s not true. It’s 115 charges in total.

Still no idea what the 115 charges are.

 

[journolud]

I imagine if even the majority of charges are thrown out the Premier League are facing getting sued for the impact on image rights.

I hope we don’t just let them get away with it for once

How do you work that out? Sued by who?

 

[eastmanc]

It is written in plain language. I linked it and explained it. There are TWO routes to court. Substantive jurisdiction - irrelevant as the PL obviously has jurisdiction. And "serious irregularity". Thats it. If you disagree I think you owe the audience a proper explanation why.

My brain can't take all this legal crap. All we want to do is support our club.

 

[SambaStyle]

We're fucked

 

[eastmanc]

Still no idea what the 115 charges are.

My son reckons that one of them dates to 2009 that the grass wasn't cut short enough. Is that true?

 

[hammocity]

Perfectly put. As fans we can only do our bit and over the years we have done it in spades. Travelled thousands of miles all over the country, braving the elements, the awful journey there and back and often in the old days violence from other fans. We didn't ask for much, ( Lucky as we didn't get much) just 100% effort from the lads wearing the Blue shirt on the field. We wore our loyal support as a badge of pride and honour and were admired by other fans for sticking with our team when the one just down the road was winning trophy after trophy and it would have been easy to jump ship, but we didn't.

Supporting a football club is a marriage of love and loyalty. Once that bond is made it's forever and you laugh and celebrate together in the good times and suffer and mourn in the bad times. All we dreamt of was to see us win one trophy before we died. The takeover gave us the chance to do that multiple times, it was a dream come true. How dare these suits with an affinity to rival clubs try to destroy that dream, those memories, that pride we felt in victory and triumph after decades of failure, how dare they! We, the manager's and players are totally innocent and as such shouldn't be punished for administration errors, if any were made. Fine the club, prosecute and/or boot out those guilty of any cooking of the accounts if any were made, but don't punish good honest fans and sportsmen who gave their all on and of the field, we are innocent.

Brilliant