PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[uwe rosler 28]

You don’t think us being charged changes things for prospective new owners of either the rags or dippers ? It changes everything, their investment levels, potential earnings, the prospect of a super league, they want us out of the picture and will then move on to Newcastle

up till now there’d been no bids for any of the red shirts, and no firm interest in the scousers, so basically a waiting game ensued while the PL followed through with promises made to their owners, who’d probably intimated to prospective new investors/owners that we would be facing doomsday, all of a sudden that guaranteed top four place is a bit more attainable

Shirley They would wait for a full verdict it's allright buying now thinking city are gonna be found guilty. But what a few years down the line if we are not??

 

[Agueroooo9320]

Nope, literally can't challenge on those grounds. Next.

mate you are being obtuse again? do you think if the panel awards us 1 trillion in punishment and handling over the squad to manchester united it cannot be appealed? lol. there is a set agreed rule to what the punishment is and if it is proportional to the crime. so no inappropriate punishment can be appealed under the pretext the panel is not following its own rules under section 68 of the act.

 

[richards30]

its should be blatantly obvious there is an agenda with the sheer fact the premier league dont want an independent regulator? If there is clarity and fairness in the organisation then transparency should be welcomed!

 

[Sir peace frog]

im on page 682, this is a very fast moving thread, a pretty important and serious thread,and we've got loads of comments about a made up fixture list, its hard enough to keep up without that bullshit littering the thread.

 

[KS55]

Spot on.

@projectriver input is great but he’s had a shocker here. City can and will challenge this in court if we don’t get the outcome desired from the premier leagues ‘iNdEpEnDeNt body’.

Tbf, this stage is a PL Commission. After that there is an appeals panel and after that arbitration. I expect the ability to appeal and go to arbitration was an attempt to ensure that accused parties could not go to court alleging onerous behaviour.

 

[havefaith]

8 pages on the evils of City’s owner’s short cutting their way to the top by paying obscene wages on over inflated transfer fees on players, no mention of the east Manchester regeneration, new education facilities, training complex, stadium expansion works and community projects
Next page , how wonderful it is to see Wrexham’s fairytale rise due to multi million dollar Hollywood owners, rebuilding the decaying ground, buying higher league players on big wages to fast track their rise and finally raising the profile of ‘Soccer’ in the USA

Excellent point about Wrexham, spent 10mins looking online cant find anything negative about their takeover and subsequent spending. Only article i could find showing anything other than positivity, was YOrk manager stating Wrexhams keeper was on 6k a week.
Of course being white americans has nothing to do with it i,m sure.

 

[M18CTID]

im on page 682, this is a very fast moving thread, a pretty important and serious thread,and we've got loads of comments about a made up fixture list, its hard enough to keep up without that bullshit littering the thread.

Funny you should say that, next season’s fixtures are out:

 

[birchwoodgingerste]

Just seen a few morning headlines it's looking like we will be relegated going by today's news it's getting a free for all now and it's absolute BS!

 

[KS55]

Yes that is likely "serious irregularity" so x.37 comes into play. But it would need to be more than an allegation.

Thanks. I expect the PL briefing other clubs (City say they have proof) and possibly the press might open that up for us.

 

[JTFactsPlz]

I know who BDO are, but they are tier 2 not tier 1, as good as they are

Sorry if this has already been addressed (thread moving too fast) but that's really not how accountants are judged. There are no "Tier 1" and "Tier 2" large accounting firms if the implication is that the first tier is somehow better at the job. It's about the right fit for the client.

As another poster said, BDO are a large, reputable accounting firm who've been in business for decades. It's just as legitimate for City to use them as PWC etc. They may have been chosen by City because they have a team specialising in the relevant area of business, or because our management liked their team. Nobody should take anything from City using BDO rather than PWC or KPMG etc. It's an irrelevance.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

Put me in mind of Khaldoons comment about 'people in glass houses'

I know people don't want to read a load of whataboutery but the fact is that pretty much every club in the league is able to operate in a frankly ludicrous transfer market through self sponsorship via shady gambling sites and other equally creative avenues.

It's a house of cards and that's exactly why this isn't going to go the way many people on the outside hope it will. Because, if it does, then it's going to set off a chain reaction of devastating economic ramifications for people who will do anything and everything to protect their pockets.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

Only went on RAWK on Monday to see their initial reaction, which was it would be swept under the carpet.

Anyone who knows that site knows their page count holds about 40 posts per page. It was in the 700’s on Monday. It’s just hit 832, with some of the most bitter posts you’ll ever see.

Yet we don’t matter to them?!

They want some hand outs basically. A few trophies here and there for the accused years.

 

[alexmcity]

If, as you say, hobnailing City to make the PL more competitive is the aim, all they have to do is wait two years for Pep to leave. Our advantage is not in our transfer spend or players wages, but in our superior football.

I agree, but there's also the fact that we are getting more and more powerful financially wise. At the current rate, we are going to dwarf United's revenues in 5-10 years. They are shit scared about the prospect of City (and Newcastle) dominating the league (and the CL).

They won't destroy City, though. Not only because we employ brilliant lawyers, but also because we are an essential part of the history of the league. Iconic goals and iconic title races can't and won't be wiped out. IMO, our titles are largely safe. The realistic worst case scenario is going down in the Championship, but it's not likely. IMO, we'll be hit by sanctions which will weaken us for several years and allow the likes of Arsenal, United, Chelsea...to win titles. Given our brilliant legal team, I hope I'm being pessimistic and we are completely victorious.

 

[Centurions]

Put me in mind of Khaldoons comment about 'people in glass houses'

Which is pretty much what Vincent Kompany said when asked. Interesting times ahead perhaps.

 

[Robinho's Subbuteo]

I explained this above. It says, in short, there are almost no ways to Court.

Unless Pannick can highlight that we’re not being treated fairly and impartially.

Having a season ticket holder of one of the clubs that has without doubt pushed the PL to investigate us and which will hugely benefit from any punishment handed down by said Arsenal fanatic would NOT be fair nor impartial. Therefore, not what’s been promised by the PL = irregularity.

 

[sd33]

nick de marco says case could last 4 years

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Anything to deflect away from their team being shit

And the murdering.

 

[PSmyth07]

I honestly cannot understand why at this stage the PL went public with the charges and briefed the media before informing us. Surely they would go public after we've had a chance to reply?

Saw some Villa fans yesterday explaining that they have been affected most as they were a solid top 6 club and pushing for top 4 every year and then we came along and ruined it.

 

[SWPISHOME]

Been reading this thread for the last half an hour and my head is now mashed for the day. I'm a thick twat on legal matters.

I'm the same I haven't a scooby when it comes to this nonsense. Last time someone told me they were bringing me to court I was getting my Tennis Racquet out.

 

[WRicko]

It expressly says "Subject to the provisions of sections 67 to 71 of the Act, the award shall be final and binding on the parties and there shall be no right of appeal. There shall be no right of appeal on a point of law under section 69 of the Act." So that leaves s67,68,70 and 71 of the Arbitration Act as routes to appeal to the courts.

67 is substantive jurisdiction https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1996/23/section/67
68 is serious irregularity https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1996/23/section/68
70/71 are supplementary (basically process) provisions relating to 67 and 68

So, the ONLY realistic route to end up in the Courts is serious irregularity. It is almost definitely not ending up in the courts.

Serious irregularity means an irregularity of one or more of the following kinds which the court considers has caused or will cause substantial injustice to the applicant—

(a)failure by the tribunal to comply with section 33 (general duty of tribunal);

(b)the tribunal exceeding its powers (otherwise than by exceeding its substantive jurisdiction: see section 67);

(c)failure by the tribunal to conduct the proceedings in accordance with the procedure agreed by the parties;

(d)failure by the tribunal to deal with all the issues that were put to it;

(e)any arbitral or other institution or person vested by the parties with powers in relation to the proceedings or the award exceeding its powers;

(f)uncertainty or ambiguity as to the effect of the award;

(g)the award being obtained by fraud or the award or the way in which it was procured being contrary to public policy;

(h)failure to comply with the requirements as to the form of the award; or

(i)any irregularity in the conduct of the proceedings or in the award which is admitted by the tribunal or by any arbitral or other institution or person vested by the parties with powers in relation to the proceedings or the award.

Doesn’t seem like this would be covered by this but it seems that the only reason sponsors would collude in the way implied by these charges is if they are related parties but they are not according to accounting practice surely this is an issue for the courts to deal with as it’s where the law and FFP / agenda collide ? Perhaps it is procedural I don’t see that they have down an alternate related party definition. But it seems more fundamental than that and more sinister I mean look at how rival fans and journalists see it they think company x is from UAE it’s related they don’t do that with white owners.