PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

tolmie's hairdoo said:
I took away from it that it wouldn't be to set aside any punishment, but to go nuclear on the Premier League with what we have.
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This is what Soriano should be saying in the next two days. Point a few fingers, drop a few hints about what we know, and see how they like sweating for the next few months. :)
 
halfcenturyup said:
That's not exactly true, I think. We are on much better terms with UEFA and Ceferin after CAS and ESL than we were with UEFA and Platini. No reflection on Platini other than he didn't have the balls to stand up to the big clubs.

If we do get out of this relatively unscathed, and I think we will, then we may find our position with the PL strengthened too.
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I thought that UEFA were probably fairly happy with the City/CAS outcome - they'd tried as hard as they could which would placate any agitators, and didn't succeed.
Individual UEFA people and clubs may be unhappy, but UEFA as a whole would probably take the outcome.
There was also an exemplary fine for non-cooperation.

I think your second point has merit - any agitators will have burnt some of their standing and therefore be diminished for a while.
I expect a fine for non-cooperation here too!
 
Our owners have not let us down from the day one of the takeover. They are the best owners in the world.

People moaning about the corporate side, the tunnel etc…..they have had to look alternative revenues to help comply with FFP.

What gives me even more confidence with this latest attempt to return the top four champions league places to the cartel clubs is the amateurish and hurried way they have announced the process with the mistakes already detailed (referring to the incorrect rules due to them being renumbered etc)

It cannot be coincidental that 3 days before it was announced, Pep had a rant about the hateful 8 plus the white paper on regulation was just about to be released.

I also think because of our poor form they have seen an opportunity to deflate our season by timing this announcement which they hope will have an affect on the players which could possibly even leave us out of the top four, which could mean we lose our transfer targets, trigger the supposed champions league clause in Haalands contract etc etc.

But, as I said at the start, we have the best owners in the world with the best run football club in the world and if anyone can overcome this obviously blatant attempt to derail this juggernaut of an organisation…..its Khaldoon et al.
 
Can we appeal?, Can we not appeal? Blah, Blah, Blah!

The reality is that whatever that rule book says to one person, it does not necessarily mean the same to another. Remember, this is the organisation who couldn't even get the charges correctly listed for a heralded press release.

When it comes to points of law, I would put my money on our legal team, rather than defending the work of some office clerk at the Premier League, who, at the league's inception, probably just cut and pasted most of that rule book from a copy of her local weight-watchers group.

Remember too, City have been here and done it previously. The Premier League haven't and it's their arses that will be squeeking when we get to the business end of this process, not ours!
 
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CC1 said:
Cheers. Any good news is welcome. I started off thinking our club Will successful oppose this & win. But day by day that optimism is being eroded - the media does that!! The latest being that our transfer strategy is now going to be wiped out too!!

It’s hard being a blue but I’ll keep thinking about how I was at Gillingham final :). :)
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Where possible, and I know it's hard, dump or minimise your exposure to the media. One golden rule - never watch the news first thing, sets the tone for your whole day. You will feel so much better.
 
It’s times like this I’m glad I’m not on any social media. All the ridicule is limited to work colleagues and passers-by in the street when I wear my City coat.

Also blanking all mainstream media. They despise us, can’t be arsed with the gloating. They’ve already delivered a guilty verdict and the public is lapping it up.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
The more I speak to people surrounding City, the less I am fretting.

It's as if we already know we will be more than fine.

I'm not going to invest much more angst into this, as everything else is just partisan and misinformed bollocks.

Our summer transfer window could make Chelsea's January one resemble a car jumble.
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And on this I think I’ll put this out of my head until any real further developments occur.

That last bit though. Can you imagine the sheer bitterness and stomach churning anger they’ll all display if we go and absolutely batter the transfer market after all their excitement the last few days?

What a club.
 
projectriver said:
100% this would NOT qualify as serious irregularity
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You have said yourself that, even for some of the most distinguished lawyers in the country, the power of rational thought and reasoned debate goes out of the window when discussing this topic. So how can a self-confessed supporter and member of one of the organisations that stand to gain the most from us being found guilty be the chair of the panel? Regardless of whether he will or won't be biased, it simply doesn't look right.
 
Agueroooo9320 said:
mate that is a feeling but we cannot go to court with feelings. if we are wronged as per the rules we can go the court. the rules are pretty tight. the panel has to follow english law and the panel has to follow fairness and its own rules regarding that. if we think they are not then we
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jollylescott said:
Thanks for that.

I note the following at para 17 and 18:

'But it is equally well established that the High Court retains a supervisory jurisdiction over such decisions, and the approach to be adopted is essentially that which the Administrative Court would adopt in public law cases'.

"The most important point, as it seems to me, is that it (that is to say the court's supervisory jurisdiction) is supervisory. The function of the court is not to take the primary decisions but to ensure that the primary decision maker has operated within lawful limits. It is a review function very similar to that of the court on judicial review … In each case the essential concern should be with the lawfulness of the decision taken, whether the procedure was fair, whether there was any error of law, whether any exercise of judgment or discretion fell within the limits open to the decision maker, and so forth."

I am in the legal field and have studied administrative law. The principles to be applied in our matter (should we get an adverse finding) are very similar to public law cases. That is, we would be arguing that the panel made a number of errors of law, and that the exercise of judgement based on the evidence was manifestly unreasonable and therefore unlawful.

This means we have a long way to go in this matter. For a start, there must be procedural fairness. This of itself means there will be debates about evidence etc. before we even get to the point of a hearing.

Overall, I still have the feeling the PL have bitten off more than they can chew. The decision to attack City, while they consider may burden us for years, may very well come back to bite them, and given the looming White Paper could well see independent regulation of the PL, which to my mind can't come soon enough.
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I agree, And I was thinking overnight about the general approach of the courts not to dive into the substance which private body tribunals rule on too. That make perfect sense in the medical world, or architecture, wherever, as judges just don't have the technical knowledge. In this case though, it is going to turn on stuff the courts deal with every day. The high xourt may very well get hands on and if the PL do a half arsed job then then stuff in your last para is very relevant.

I was also reading up on the Arsenal fan. I am quite encouraged by his background and I think it will be difficult for him to not do a good job, he's got the perfect background for a case like this. So maybe we might not have need for the high court....

Anyway, crap having to even think about this as a footie fan!
 
Roachy said:
Where possible, and I know it's hard, dump or minimise your exposure to the media. One golden rule - never watch the news first thing, sets the tone for your whole day. You will feel so much better.
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Correct

We all know how the media/press have us as the big bad wolf and want to discredit anything about us

I
 
blue b4 the moon said:
They're all full of shit, imagine the media interest boost & crowds we'd bring the the EFL.
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course they would take us in a heartbeat! the 98/99 season was the first time TV companies over trialled PPV matches one was Oxford v Sunderland in div 1 the others were both City away at Colchester and Bristol Rovers, every team we played away got their highest attendance v City, could you imagine now the TV and sponsors would be falling over themselves
 
CC1 said:
Cheers. Any good news is welcome. I started off thinking our club Will successful oppose this & win. But day by day that optimism is being eroded - the media does that!! The latest being that our transfer strategy is now going to be wiped out too!!

It’s hard being a blue but I’ll keep thinking about how I was at Gillingham final :). :)
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Day by day? It was only announced on Monday, 48 hours ago, you're going to be a wreck by the end of the many months (if not years) of wrangling over this.
 
Won't cross reference projectriver as he must be getting bombarded but he stated earlier that serious penalties are not serious irregularities ( the implication being there would be no grounds for appeal).
However what about serious penalties that are not commensurate with the breach I.e. 'the punishment does not fit the crime'.
Surely City would have a right to appeal outside of the PL process if they felt this to be the case?
 
MillsyTheMosher said:
Spot on.

@projectriver input is great but he’s had a shocker here. City can and will challenge this in court if we don’t get the outcome desired from the premier leagues ‘iNdEpEnDeNt body’.
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If City are briefing that this can go all the way, I doubt it comes from the PR team, it comes from the very top who, I imagine, have been communicating with Pannick these last few months. That's good enough for me.
 
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